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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    01 Jun '11 16:54
    ... at least not with public money.

    It is utter nonsense and those who say they like it
    in reality are just striking a pose to appear cool.

    Ergo, it is a waste of money and it serves no purpose
    other than give something to do to some untalented
    weed smokers.

    Discuss.
  2. 01 Jun '11 17:44
    No art should be supported with public money. If people like it, they can pay for it.
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    01 Jun '11 17:55
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    No art should be supported with public money. If people like it, they can pay for it.
    There is nothing more important than supporting art with public money. If people don't like it, they don't have to look at it.
  4. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    01 Jun '11 17:57
    Originally posted by Seitse
    ... at least not with public money.

    It is utter nonsense and those who say they like it
    in reality are just striking a pose to appear cool.

    Ergo, it is a waste of money and it serves no purpose
    other than give something to do to some untalented
    weed smokers.

    Discuss.
    Have you ever considered that it is not the art that is deficient, but, rather, that it is you who is deficient?
  5. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    01 Jun '11 22:13
    The worst part about snobbish attitudes is that they
    usually come from the least refined minds in a desperate
    attempt to compensate for their shortcomings.
  6. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    01 Jun '11 23:17
    Originally posted by Seitse
    The worst part about snobbish attitudes is that they
    usually come from the least refined minds in a desperate
    attempt to compensate for their shortcomings.
  7. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    02 Jun '11 06:01 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Seitse
    ... at least not with public money.

    It is utter nonsense and those who say they like it
    in reality are just striking a pose to appear cool.

    Ergo, it is a waste of money and it serves no purpose
    other than give something to do to some untalented
    weed smokers.

    Discuss.
    It is probably only on this issue that you and I will be in mutual agreement. As someone who can draw pretty damned well (and paint (albeit in acrylics) when I can be bothered) I say "modern art" is the domain of the talentless and pretentious.
  8. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    02 Jun '11 10:20 / 4 edits
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    Impressionism if done correctly is anything but talentless - these guys are able to capture the essential features of a scene with whatever ambient lighting (which changes) is present in one sitting - and produce images that though not hyper-detailed are still pretty damned accurate (in the geometric/spatial/chromatic sense).

    Works produced by Mark Rothko or Jackson Pollock (and those who imitate them) on the other hand I say are talentless and pretentious, there is nothing about their `art' that couldn't be emulated by a chimp, and any aesthetic value to be found is as dubiously subjective as the aesthetic value to be found in a half eaten pizza.
  9. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    02 Jun '11 10:26
    Originally posted by Agerg
    It is probably only on this issue that you and I will be in mutual agreement. As someone who can draw pretty damned well (and paint (albeit in acrylics) when I can be bothered) I say "modern art" is the domain of the talentless and pretentious.
    I am forever at a loss to understand why so many seem to have such a burning desire to condemn 'modern' art. Because it doesn't appeal to you, why do you then denigrate the art form itself? I don't like 'modern jazz', but that doesn't cause me to turn around and say that it "is the domain of the talentless and pretentious." I am fully prepared, rather, to admit that I am deficient as a listener and that I don't know enough about the art form to properly judge it. The most I can say is that I don't understand it and that it doesn't appeal to me.
  10. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    02 Jun '11 10:36 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by rwingett
    I am forever at a loss to understand why so many seem to have such a burning desire to condemn 'modern' art. Because it doesn't appeal to you, why do you then denigrate the art form itself? I don't like 'modern jazz', but that doesn't cause me to turn around and say that it "is the domain of the talentless and pretentious." I am fully prepared, rather, to a . The most I can say is that I don't understand it and that it doesn't appeal to me.
    Let's suppose someone invents a new type of music - call it, say, "Bango"; further, lets say it is generally formed by a group of people banging bricks with wooden spoons, there need be no rhythm, no adherence to tempo, no attempt to capture any melody - just random brick banging.

    Now I don't know about you but I would be quite happy to denigrate this new `artform' with as much zeal as I denigrate those who randomly and thoughtlessly throw paint onto a canvas or try to peddle some arbitrary configuration of mundane objects as a profound statement of the way things are in the world.
    There is much music that doesn't appeal to me but I can at least acknowledge the skill and talent that underlies their work - with the stuff that Tracy Emin, Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko (et al) produce I have nothing but contempt.
  11. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    02 Jun '11 11:45
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Ladies think the same of you. Hence, exhibit 'A'.
  12. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    02 Jun '11 11:46
    Originally posted by Agerg
    It is probably only on this issue that you and I will be in mutual agreement. As someone who can draw pretty damned well (and paint (albeit in acrylics) when I can be bothered) I say "modern art" is the domain of the talentless and pretentious.
    Kiss me, you fool.
  13. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    02 Jun '11 12:14
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    I would continue with schools, of course.

    Why do we need schools for? What we need is
    training camps for children where they can become
    knowledgeable in assembling things, so by the
    time they're 8 they can start at the sweatshops.
  14. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    02 Jun '11 14:02 / 5 edits
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    I won't disagree or try to defend my lack of knowledge - way back in my graphic design HND days I was the rebellious student who could draw better than my peers
    (and conversely couldn\'t shoot a good photograph if my life depended on it)
    and made my disdain for the scrawlings others tried to pass off as inspiration well known - with that rebellious streak I took some elements from the Art history module I was required to take, and fought against the rest of it.

    I am aware, in a limited sense, of some of the movements - for example cubism as championed by Picasso. As for him I can respect his choice to take that direction because he had already proven himself to be so skilled in draftsmanship that his choice to advance a new way of expressing ones self is credible. Many other champions of abstract expressionisn (and imitators) have demonstrated no such credentials (if you can show me that Pollock or Rothko can draw, or paint or craft sculpture, etc... to any admirable level of technical proficiency then I'll retract my words here).

    I say many take the abstract expressionist route because it relies more on the ability to sell and manipulate the `intellectuals' than the ability to create with integrity, and moreover they lack the expertise to do anything else.
  15. Standard member Agerg
    The 'edit'or
    02 Jun '11 14:13
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    Ok thankyou for the link, and I will look at it, though with my final exams looming and a dissertation to defend it won't be for another week before I pass comment.