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The post that was quoted here has been removedI won't disagree or try to defend my lack of knowledge - way back in my graphic design HND days I was the rebellious student who could draw better than my peersReveal Hidden Content
The post that was quoted here has been removedI should say, it's stronger than a simple dislike for it, having spent many years honing my skills I am quite simply affronted by the charlatans who's work sells for thousands and debases the classical skills that I and others have worked hard to develop.
Originally posted by PalynkaIt sets the tenor for what kind of society we want to fashion for ourselves. A robust governmental support for the arts suggests that these things have an intrinsic value, which, in turn, will foster a more culturally literate population who aren't so damnably intimidated by 'modern' art.
But why do you think it is so important? Unless pouting counts, you haven't given any reason so far.
Originally posted by rwingettI wasn't sure interventionism would be your justification.
It sets the tenor for what kind of society we want to fashion for ourselves. A robust governmental support for the arts suggests that these things have an intrinsic value, which, in turn, will foster a more culturally literate population who aren't so damnably intimidated by 'modern' art.
Why do you question my assertion, unless it's simply to disagree with everything I say?
Originally posted by PalynkaI don't think your assertion is borne out by fact. Consider the WPA support for the arts under the New Deal. A great deal of it had political content that was critical of the government. The artists that grew out of that program are a veritable who's who of the future Abstract Expressionist movement.
I wasn't sure interventionism would be your justification.
If it's sponsored by the establishment, then there will be a tendency for it to be less interventionist or serve a political group. Governmental support could serve to subvert and drown out creativity of artists that do not play the game. They are drowned out by the same small group of names over ...[text shortened]... rtists don't get any anyway (nor would, despite the fact I'm sure you'll argue otherwise).
Originally posted by rwingettSurely you can see the irony of countering my point through this?
The artists that grew out of that program are a veritable who's who of the future Abstract Expressionist movement.
Originally posted by PalynkaSo because of those pitfalls, all government support is to be rejected?
Surely you can see the irony of countering my point through this?
Their criticism of the government reflected the political views of those in control of the funding. Of course, where most sane people would view the lack of political diversity in such sponsorships as a reflection of corporatism you probably view them as lining around "the truth".
As for ...[text shortened]... sm breeds. Especially because deciding which art is worthy has the pitfalls we all know about.
Originally posted by PalynkaIt sounds like you are saying all government support is predicated on the idea they are supporting artist hitmen to claw at the opposition. What about Holland, where any hack with a paintbrush can get government support, warehouses full of useless 'art'. It doesn't sound like those dudes were used for nefarious factionering.
Well done. Make sure you read the whole thread.
The post that was quoted here has been removedChess tournaments. Chess is, after all, a boring hobby for emotionally retarded old geezers and spotty fourteen year old nerds who will never get a girl. And anyone who disagrees with that is a hypocrite and probably one of those nerds. Be honest, we all know that a good, English ned would never even touch a chess set - so nobody who is worth anything does, and any disagreement with that is just pretentious.
Originally posted by AgergThere is a lot more to modern art than Rothko and Jack the Dripper.
Works produced by Mark Rothko or Jackson Pollock (and those who imitate them) on the other hand I say are talentless and pretentious,