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@vivify said
Breaking promises to not invade a country isn't a "white lie".

"I did not have sex with that woman" is a white lie. "I won't wage war and murder your civilians" is not.

@vivify said
a) Appeal to authority fallacy
b) All Ms. Hill did was report that a deal "appeared" to be reached. That's it.

The article doesn't "contradict" that claim, it explains why that appearance was not actually what it seemed.

@AverageJoe1
So you are all in for Putin to rebuild his old Soviet Union. Did you really think when Russia finishes off Ukraine that will just stop there? Does Hitler in 1938 come to mind by any chance?

@no1marauder said
How about "We know Iraq has WMDs?"

@vivify said
And Bush is reviled the world over. Even Republicans have disowned him because he is political poison.

Using Metal Brain's tactic of "what about America" to defend Russia doesn't help you.

@no1marauder said
The author of your article has no access to information that the general public doesn't have, unlike Ms. Hill.

@no1marauder said
In this case, it refutes the premise of your argument which was that Putin tells lies qualitively different from other world leaders.

@no1marauder said
In this case, it refutes the premise of your argument which was that Putin tells lies qualitively different from other world leaders.

@vivify said
You mean reviled world leaders like Bush? We agree, Putin's no different from that.

Equating invading a nation to a "white lie" is still a repulsive tactic from you.

@vivify said
And Bush is reviled the world over. Even Republicans have disowned him because he is political poison.

Using Metal Brain's tactic of "what about America" to defend Russia doesn't help you.

@no1marauder said
What a country's leader "demands" in public and what he might accept in private negotiations are different.

As you state, Putin thought the invasion would bring a quick victory and an overthrow of the Ukrainian government. When that didn't happen, he was forced to adjust his negotiating position. The evidence of that regarding the March'-April talks is overwhelming.

@shallow-blue said
"Qualitively"... maybe you, like your party buddies Metal and Joe, shouldn't use words you don't understand.

There is a fundamental - neither quantitative nor qualita(!)tive - difference between "if he sells you a car, have it checked by a professional garage" - which is Dubya - and "don't ever buy a car from him; if it runs at all, it will explode and kill you within two miles", which is your paymaster Putin.

@no1marauder said
The US made two agreements regarding the most important issue regarding the world i.e. strategic nuclear weapons with Putin.

@no1marauder said
Nowhere in my post did I use the term "white lie" so stop pretending I did by using " ".

The March 2003 campaign against Iraq was conducted by a coalition of forces from different countries, some of which were NATO member countries and some were not. NATO as an organization had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign or to conduct it.

@vivify said
When you claim Putin was merely "misleading", and then saying "every world leader misleads sometimes", you're treating his invasion like it's just a white lie. That is repulsive.

NATO and most of the West "reviled" Bush's lie sooooooooo much that they sent troops to support Iraq's occupation.

Wrong:

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm#:~:text ...[text shortened]... an organization had no role[/b] in the decision to undertake the campaign or to conduct it.[/quote]