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@shallow-blue said
Oh, you saw it coming.

You just stick your head in the sand and go "Putin will stop Putin will stop Putin will stop".

You do see it coming that Putin will never stop. At no border whatsoever. You just deny that you see it coming.

"You just stick your head in the sand and go "Putin will stop Putin will stop Putin will stop"."
Mmyeah, Putin can't stop. He has to show something for this war. Returning to the exact situation before the war would be a huge loss.

@no1marauder said
The argument is the same: IF Country X is allowed to fall to Evil Group A, Evil Group A will also seize Countries Y, Z, AA, etc. etc. etc.

It's called the "Domino Theory".

No.

In Vietnam, the Soviets did not go in to mass-murder Vietnamese children. The USA did.

In Ukraine, your pay-master Putin has mass-murdered Ukrainian children.

No dominos involved, that's just a theoretical distraction. Don't try to fool us - you're (by now just about a little) better than AverageJoe.

@no1marauder said
Putin sure has taken a long time to start his master plan of "reunit[ing] the former Soviet Union by using military force to control now sovereign nations".

It's true he has stated that dissolving the USSR was a mistake and that he wants to weaken NATO. Neither requires military invasions of Eastern Europe including NATO countries.

It wasn't a master plan. He thought Zelensky would run and the country will fall in a week or two leaving the Western countries to look at spilled milk. Then we could put another Lukashenko there.

Well, the milk keeps spilling and Putin doesn't have an exit strategy other than to play chicken with the rest of the world.

@no1marauder said
The argument is the same: IF Country X is allowed to fall to Evil Group A, Evil Group A will also seize Countries Y, Z, AA, etc. etc. etc.

It's called the "Domino Theory".

Are you actually chamberlaning us right now?

@no1marauder said
A simple question:

What do those who support the present policy of virtually unlimited aid to Ukraine without any effort at negotiations think is the most likely endgame of this war?

As someone already pointed out, negotiations have been made, Russia simply rejects them. You implied the West is "just insisting someone else do what you want". That goes for Russia who invaded Ukraine after pro-EU demonstrations.

The endgame? Possibly nukes. But consider your question in terms of the US: would you criticize nations who help countries being invaded by America, knowing we have nukes? Or would you argue it is their right to not bow to the US?

No one wants nuclear war; that's why NATO nations won't engage Russia directly. You also don't want to set a precedent where countries with nukes think the world will just shrug their shoulders as they ravish weaker nations.

Negotiations didn't work. Sanctions didn't work. Direct confrontation won't work. Providing aid to a weaker nation against an invader is possibly the only option left apart from abandoning that nation to its fate.

@zahlanzi said
Are you actually chamberlaning us right now?

People need to get over the dangerous delusion that the only possible resolution to international disputes is the total capitulation of the other side.

@vivify said
As someone already pointed out, negotiations have been made, Russia simply rejects them. You implied the West is "just insisting someone else do what you want". That goes for Russia who invaded Ukraine after pro-EU demonstrations.

The endgame? Possibly nukes. But consider your question in terms of the US: would you criticize nations who help countries being invaded by ...[text shortened]... n against an invader is possibly the only option left apart from abandoning that nation to its fate.

Factually wrong; as I already showed, negotiations, which should have started before the war, were effectively sabotaged by the West in April.

I won't even bother to respond to the ridiculous last sentence of your first paragraph.

@shallow-blue said
No.

In Vietnam, the Soviets did not go in to mass-murder Vietnamese children. The USA did.

In Ukraine, your pay-master Putin has mass-murdered Ukrainian children.

No dominos involved, that's just a theoretical distraction. Don't try to fool us - you're (by now just about a little) better than AverageJoe.

You do realize there was a war in Vietnam ongoing before the US intervened and that intervention was justified by the same type of "Domino Theory" being pushed by posters here?

@shallow-blue said
No.

In Vietnam, the Soviets did not go in to mass-murder Vietnamese children. The USA did.

In Ukraine, your pay-master Putin has mass-murdered Ukrainian children.

No dominos involved, that's just a theoretical distraction. Don't try to fool us - you're (by now just about a little) better than AverageJoe.

Shallow has been burned by my exposing him. Does not answer questions, changes subjects. Let's try another one.....

Are you better off now than you were 2 years ago?

@no1marauder said
People need to get over the dangerous delusion that the only possible resolution to international disputes is the total capitulation of the other side.

It's hilarious that you think Russia abandoning its illegal invasion and gtfoing, is total capitulation. It would be for Putin, ofc, but i am less concerned with what that maniac considers "fair".

Wtf happened to you. Did metal brain hack your account? I didn't expect this from you

@no1marauder said
Factually wrong; as I already showed, negotiations, which should have started before the war, were effectively sabotaged by the West in April.

Negotiations started long before this current invasion, back when Obama reached out to Putin for a diplomatic solution to his invasion of Crimea. Russia was the one who "sabotaged" that one. I doubt your claim about April.

I won't even bother to respond to the ridiculous last sentence of your first paragraph.

The sentenced about Putin invading Ukraine after the citizens wanted to partner with the EU? Of course you won't.

@no1marauder said
Factually wrong; as I already showed, negotiations, which should have started before the war, were effectively sabotaged by the West in April.

I won't even bother to respond to the ridiculous last sentence of your first paragraph.

"negotiations, which should have started before the war, were effectively sabotaged by the West in April."
I would think Putin starting the war, instead of starting negotiations, sabotaged the negotiations first and more than Boris Fukin Johnson dropping hints at one point.

@averagejoe1 said
Shallow has been burned by my exposing him. Does not answer questions, changes subjects. Let's try another one.....

Are you better off now than you were 2 years ago?

OMG the village idiot has escaped his carer again.

@zahlanzi said
Putin starting the war, instead of starting negotiations, sabotaged the negotiations first and more than Boris Fukin Johnson dropping hints at one point.

Is that the "sabotage" No1's referring to? When Johnson simply warned against giving up land in exchange for Russia's oh-so-trustworthy promise they won't invade anymore?

@no1marauder said
Factually wrong; as I already showed, negotiations, which should have started before the war, were effectively sabotaged by the West in April.

Yet another obvious lie from the Trumpist right. It was Putin who refused to hold honest negotiations, and would only accept that he could keep what he'd stolen.