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@eladar saidHow exactly did "whites suffer"?
So liberal reforms only helped Asians to be more successful than whites.
Liberals are the one who put in place Asian Privilege.
Whites suffered and no other group than Asians benefitted.
Immigration reform allowed well educated and wealthy foreigners to immigrate themselves and/or send their children here to school (after which many decided to stay). Those of certain ethnic groups did not experience the intense degree of discrimination that blacks and other POC have suffered historically in the US.
But what did whites "suffer"? Other people got opportunities for education and well paying jobs. Unless you see economics as a zero sum game, that should be beneficial to all.
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@no1marauder saidWhite suffer because they are no longer the top money makers, Asians are now the top.
How exactly did "whites suffer"?
Immigration reform allowed well educated and wealthy foreigners to immigrate themselves and/or send their children here to school (after which many decided to stay). Those of certain ethnic groups did not experience the intense degree of discrimination that blacks and other POC have suffered historically in the US.
But what did white ...[text shortened]... and well paying jobs. Unless you see economics as a zero sum game, that should be beneficial to all.
Of course other races suffer worse than whites after the liberal changes were put in place.
@athousandyoung saidWe are talking about the general population.
Bezos, Trump, Gates, Buffett are doing just fine, no Asians at their level in the USA
When it comes to median income Asians make over 10k more than whites. The other races are below whites.
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@eladar saidSo what? Whites don't have a lower median income because of any type of discrimination but because the hyperselective nature of the Asian-American population (still only 5.6% of the US population) makes them more likely to complete high levels of education.
White suffer because they are no longer the top money makers, Asians are now the top.
Of course other races suffer worse than whites after the liberal changes were put in place.
EDIT: In fact, Asian-American high school dropouts and high school graduates make far less than whites with the same level of education. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184259/mean-earnings-by-educational-attainment-and-ethnic-group/
Contrary to your insinuation, whites have no entitlement to be on top of the economic heap so far as median income is concerned.
@earl-of-trumps saidNo ideology that I know of and certainly no US political party, "want[s] everyone to be paid the same."
Democrats have a very strange utopian view.
They just love diversity while wanting everyone to be paid the same.
uh huh.
@no1marauder saidThis is a pretty good point.
How exactly did "whites suffer"?
Immigration reform allowed well educated and wealthy foreigners to immigrate themselves and/or send their children here to school (after which many decided to stay). Those of certain ethnic groups did not experience the intense degree of discrimination that blacks and other POC have suffered historically in the US.
But what did white ...[text shortened]... and well paying jobs. Unless you see economics as a zero sum game, that should be beneficial to all.
Many whites tended to choose to not have kids, or have kids at lower rates. Of course, these choices were guided by economic factors that were beyond their control, and it could be argued that in different circumstances they would have had a lot more kids, but this is really besides the point since I do not believe anyone was consciously directing the economy towards this end...
A huge portion of whites have benefited from mass migration. It can also be argued that a huge portion have been negatively impacted. But these are both things that depend on how you look at statistics and numbers, and I am under no illusion that if we disagree about so much already it would be possible for us to agree on this.
I think it is merely the case that it is became a lot more obvious in the 2000s, even more obvious in the 2010s, and will continue to get more and more obvious just how negative an impact that it has on these countries.
And I would also contend that, when it all started, it could've been guided in such a way as for it to not have been so harmful.
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@philokalia saidWhat "negative impact" is that?
This is a pretty good point.
Many whites tended to choose to not have kids, or have kids at lower rates. Of course, these choices were guided by economic factors that were beyond their control, and it could be argued that in different circumstances they would have had a lot more kids, but this is really besides the point since I do not believe anyone was consciou ...[text shortened]... t, when it all started, it could've been guided in such a way as for it to not have been so harmful.
That the country isn't as "white" as it used to be?
I think legal immigration has definitely been a positive engine of economic growth.
EDIT: Interestingly, the percentage of the US population that is foreign born is about the same now as it was 100 years ago and the percentage was higher for 60 years before that. https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy
@no1marauder saidThat's an exaggeration, but it's equally true that the gender wage gap is cited constantly and in a vacuum as prima facie evidence of invidious discrimination against women, while those that bring up the confounding variables are usually shouted down as supporters of gender stereotypes.
No ideology that I know of and certainly no US political party, "want[s] everyone to be paid the same."
@earl-of-trumps saidRepublicans want everyone to be WASPs and for a handful of people to get all the pay.
Democrats have a very strange utopian view.
They just love diversity while wanting everyone to be paid the same.
uh huh.
@no1marauder saidPlease! The left complains endlessly about how African Americans earn less than
No ideology that I know of and certainly no US political party, "want[s] everyone to be paid the same."
whites, how women earn less than men.
Yet there may be many sociological variables to explain this, yes, racism is part
of it. I get it. So it seems that if the left had their way, they would force ALL
people in one category of work to be paid the same, achievement be DAMNED.
So someone coming right out of law school and passing the bar should get
as much money as a seasoned lawyer. Or are you about to switch here and
admit that litigating **in each case** must preside, not by group.