Attack in Ukraine

"Zelenskyy, in comments before the conference, also questioned the West’s refusal to allow Ukraine to join NATO immediately."

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-russia-united-states-europe-black-sea-a4e14d1b12c119c81d07dd3876cb057b

Maybe it wasn't the best idea for the Ukrainians to elect a comedian to their Presidency.

@no1marauder said
Here's a good, if pessimistic, analysis of the situation which: https://warontherocks.com/2022/01/putins-wager-in-russias-standoff-with-the-west/

One factor has been missing from the posts here:

"Although the crisis has structural roots in the post-Cold War settlement[Gee, not merely in Putin's disturbed psyche!-no1], the proximate cause of this standoff is a ...[text shortened]... stration as a marionette of the United States, and have instead approached his patron — Washington."

Then there's the Ukrainian language which just went into force January 16:

"A new legal provision on the use of the Ukrainian language, part of a broader state language law, raises concerns about protection for minority languages.

The provision, which entered into force on January 16, is stipulated in article 25 of the law. It requires print media outlets registered in Ukraine to publish in Ukrainian. Publications in other languages must also be accompanied by a Ukrainian version, equivalent in content, volume, and method of printing. Additionally, places of distribution such as newsstands must have at least half their content in Ukrainian.

The state language law requires that Ukrainian be used in most aspects of public life."

Rather shockingly:

"Article 25, regarding print media outlets, makes exceptions for certain minority languages, English, and official EU languages, but not for Russian. Ukrainian authorities justify this by referring to the country’s European ambitions and “the century of oppression of … Ukrainian in favor of Russian.”

There are concerns about whether guarantees for minority languages are sufficient. The Venice Commission, the Council of Europe’s top advisory body on constitutional matters, said that several of the law’s articles, including article 25, “failed to strike a fair balance” between promoting the Ukrainian language and safeguarding minorities’ linguistic rights. It stated that “historical oppression of Ukrainian ... may lead to the adoption of positive measures aimed at promoting Ukrainian, but this cannot justify depriving the Russian language and its speakers of the protection granted to other languages…”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine#

Almost 30% of the population of the Ukraine speak Russian as their native language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Ukraine#:~:text=The%20official%20language%20of%20Ukraine,native%20speakers%20of%20other%20languages.

The law certainly is a human rights violation and its implementation in January certainly seems provocative to say the least.

@no1marauder
The false flag attacks have already begun to it is a safe bet to say as soon as the winter games are done in China, they WILL attack.
They don't ship blood supplies to an army that is just interested in war games and training exercises.
Putin is setting up for war and that seems to be the bottom line.

@sonhouse said
@no1marauder
The false flag attacks have already begun to it is a safe bet to say as soon as the winter games are done in China, they WILL attack.
They don't ship blood supplies to an army that is just interested in war games and training exercises.
Putin is setting up for war and that seems to be the bottom line.

@shavixmir said
How do you know they’re false flag attacks?

@vivify said
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/business/russia-has-been-laying-groundwork-online-for-a-false-flag-operation-misinformation-researchers-say.html

Putin has been laying the groundwork for a false flag attack in Ukraine for months. False flags are tactics Putin used his entire political career:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/18/ukraine-putin-false-flag/

@shavixmir said
So, party 1 says, without proof, that party 2 is planning false flag attacks.
And then attacks happen and party 1 says: see, false flag attacks by party 2.

Proof? Or do we just take party 1’s inspiring, Nostradamus-esque predictions on face value?

Say a husband continually says his neighbour is going to kill his wife and make it look like he did it. And his wife is k ...[text shortened]... d and it looks like he did it.
Is the first course of action arresting the neighbour, do you think?

@shavixmir said
How do you know they’re false flag attacks?

@shallow-blue said
Putin has form. You know this. Why do you keep ignoring his previous war crimes?

Breaking developments:

"De facto leaders Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik have asked Russian President Vladimir Putin to recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics” in eastern Ukraine.

Both Pushilin and Pasechnik made their official appeals on Russian state television channel Rossiya 24, on Monday, February 21, claiming recognition would “prevent civilian casualties.” The de facto leaders also asked Putin to conclude partnership agreements with the two “republics” after they are recognized, including in the defense sector.

Shortly after the appeals, the Russian president opened an extraordinary meeting of the country’s Security Council. In his opening remarks, Putin confirmed that the council would discuss the issue of recognizing the DNR and LNR, among other things.

On February 15, the Russian State Duma adopted a resolution calling on Vladimir Putin to recognize the breakaway “republics” in eastern Ukraine. In turn, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that the Russian president had taken the motion “under advisement.” At the same time, Peskov noted that recognizing the “republics” as independent would violate the Minsk agreements. This echoed an earlier statement by Vladimir Putin, who stressed that the conflict should be resolved through these accords.

Notably, the DNR and LNR claim territory that is under Kyiv’s control. "

https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/02/21/[WORD TOO LONG]

I imagine recognition of the independence of these regions would be swiftly followed by the full-scale introduction of Russian troops. It looks like the Crimea model all over again.

Query: Would the West impose the same type of sanctions and military moves in this scenario as they would in the event of a invasion of all of the Ukraine?

@no1marauder said
Then there's the Ukrainian language which just went into force January 16:

"A new legal provision on the use of the Ukrainian language, part of a broader state language law, raises concerns about protection for minority languages.

The provision, which entered into force on January 16, is stipulated in article 25 of the law. It requires print media outlets registered ...[text shortened]... man rights violation and its implementation in January certainly seems provocative to say the least.

"Russian President Vladimir Putin told French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz that he will recognize two Russian-backed breakaway provinces of Ukraine, the Kremlin announced on Monday."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kremlin-says-putin-will-recognize-2-ukrainian-separatist-regions-as-independent/ar-AAU7P8S?li=BBnb7Kz

About to get messy though perhaps not as messy as the invasion of all of Ukraine that has been feared.

@shavixmir said
So, party 1 says, without proof, that party 2 is planning false flag attacks.
And then attacks happen and party 1 says: see, false flag attacks by party 2.

Proof? Or do we just take party 1’s inspiring, Nostradamus-esque predictions on face value?

Say a husband continually says his neighbour is going to kill his wife and make it look like he did it. And his wife is k ...[text shortened]... d and it looks like he did it.
Is the first course of action arresting the neighbour, do you think?

@kevcvs57 said
Trouble is party 2 has a massive army straining at the leash on party 1s border and is the one making demands of party 1, oh yeah and party 2 has already invaded the sovereign territory of party 1.
How far will we have stretch credulity in order to pretend your not taking the urine out of this serious threat to peace on the continent of Europe.
If anyone attacks anyone it ...[text shortened]... is end game, he wants the US out of Europe and he wants Eastern Europe firmly under Russian control.