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The post that was quoted here has been removedYes, the American way for 250 years. I am actually at this very moment digging to find the best investment opportunities for when the Invasion From S America is in full force. Do you have any ideas on what they might want to buy that I can provide for them?
I assume that they will show up english-speaking, with money. Would you enter a country blind with no money and not be able to converse?
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@averagejoe1 saidWhy have a country at all using such "logic"?
I am trying to see your point. The Covid problem is universal, ...all the states. Federal problem, national disaster, MGM.
The Texas problem is the Problem of Texas. They never thought it would get so cold. They mis- calculated. Freak of nature, but it is THEIR problem, not that of the Federal government.
Can you agree with that? You seem to think that b ...[text shortened]... n, in fact, the Feds have nothing to do whit cleaning up Texas. It is a state problem.
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A State is an arbitrarily created entity who's boundaries consist of pieces of dirt. It is the People within it that are important not the dirt it contains. Those People's well-being is a concern for the entire body politic of this country, not just the incompetent State officials of Texas.
@kevcvs57 saidRight on Kev!
Are you particularly deranged the Texan Republican dominated State is responsible for weatherproofing its energy infrastructure and has failed to do it, they wouldn’t even join the national grid so how would it be a POTUS responsibility.
It appears earl doesn't like Biden and knows nothing about the situation in Texas and it is of their own doing and nothing to do with this POTUS or the one before him who I didn't like. Now is the time for everyone to pitch in and help them. Point the accusing fingers later and make sure they land in the right faces.
-VR
@averagejoe1 saidYou just helped me make mine, probably without realizing it.
I am trying to see your point. The Covid problem is universal, ...all the states. Federal problem, national disaster, MGM.
The Texas problem is the Problem of Texas. They never thought it would get so cold. They mis- calculated. Freak of nature, but it is THEIR problem, not that of the Federal government.
Can you agree with that? You seem to think that b ...[text shortened]... n, in fact, the Feds have nothing to do whit cleaning up Texas. It is a state problem.
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You said it perfectly !!
"The Texas problem is the problem of Texas."
But yet ....... but yet ....... there's the title of this thread.....
@very-rusty saidIf I live in Florida , where we have our own problems with hurricanes, what in the world do you want me to do over in Texas? Each state should stand alone, so I disagree with Marauder. UNLESS it is a total national emergency such as COVID.
Right on Kev!
It appears earl doesn't like Biden and knows nothing about the situation in Texas and it is of their own doing and nothing to do with this POTUS or the one before him who I didn't like. Now is the time for everyone to pitch in and help them. Point the accusing fingers later and make sure they land in the right faces.
-VR
In a microcosm example, if I am your neighbor and build a barn very poorly and it crashes down all around me, do you think I should expect you to come to a 'barn raising' and put me up a new barn? when I made it like crap.? Absolutely not. It is your problem, build a better barn.
If Texas needs Flordia to come help them, then they should make up a contractual agreement to cover each other in any emergency. Any states(s) can join in the conglomerate if they so choose. But Note, I do not mention the federal government in this case, it is the business of each state to handle themselves.
Do you think Atlanta should go up and bail Detroit out of ther mess? And Marauder questions common logic????
O help.
@averagejoe1 saidThe States already made a "contractual arrangement" with each other. Maybe you heard of it - it's called the "Constitution of the United States". In it, they pledged to provide for the General Welfare of the United States.
If I live in Florida , where we have our own problems with hurricanes, what in the world do you want me to do over in Texas? Each state should stand alone, so I disagree with Marauder. UNLESS it is a total national emergency such as COVID.
In a microcosm example, if I am your neighbor and build a barn very poorly and it crashes down all around me, do you think I shou ...[text shortened]... hould go up and bail Detroit out of ther mess? And Marauder questions common logic????
O help.
EDIT: It would be more accurate to say the People entered into a "contractual arrangement" with each other.
@mghrn55 saidMG, we finally agree on something. Biden has nothing to do with this. He has nothing to do with Detroit's problems, or the wine vineyards in california during a fire.
You just helped me make mine, probably without realizing it.
You said it perfectly !!
"The Texas problem is the problem of Texas."
But yet ....... but yet ....... there's the title of this thread.....
A pleasure agreeing with you. Rational minds.
@averagejoe1 saidSo.....why was this thread started ?
MG, we finally agree on something. Biden has nothing to do with this. He has nothing to do with Detroit's problems, or the wine vineyards in california during a fire.
A pleasure agreeing with you. Rational minds.
Not by you, granted......but you are all in on the posting activity....
@no1marauder saidI agree , except dont know what you mean by the last sentence. Of course every American is vested in the well-being, health and economy of the people of our country. We all contribute our products and services into the system so we chug along.
Why have a country at all using such "logic"?
A State is an arbitrarily created entity who's boundaries consist of pieces of dirt. It is the People within it that are important not the dirt it contains. Those People's well-being is a concern for the entire body politic of this country, not just the incompetent State officials of Texas.
The problem is that liberals think we are all in some group where we are responsible for someone who screws up. Am I wrong?
@no1marauder saidHa Ha. What article speaks to this subject? You define General Welfare quite broadly,, do you? How far down the line you gonna ride that little gem? My house heating system is not working. Can you get a govt agency to get themselves over here before nightfall to fix it?? Hahaha
The States already made a "contractual arrangement" with each other. Maybe you heard of it - it's called the "Constitution of the United States". In it, they pledged to provide for the General Welfare of the United States.
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@averagejoe1 saidHave you ever actually read the US Constitution?
Ha Ha. What article speaks to this subject? You define General Welfare quite broadly,, do you? How far down the line you gonna ride that little gem? My house heating system is not working. Can you get a govt agency to get themselves over here before nightfall to fix it?? Hahaha
It sure doesn't seem that way.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Preamble
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"
Article I, section 8
How "far down" that concept goes is up to the People and their democratically elected representatives.
@no1marauder saidwhile you have the constitution out can we please go by immigration laws?
The States already made a "contractual arrangement" with each other. Maybe you heard of it - it's called the "Constitution of the United States". In it, they pledged to provide for the General Welfare of the United States.
And it is laughable to suggest a state is responsible for another states financial responsibilities.
@mott-the-hoople saidI have no idea what you are talking about - most likely because it is rubbish.
while you have the constitution out can we please go by immigration laws?
And it is laughable to suggest a state is responsible for another states financial responsibilities.
Are you familiar with the 1950 Federal Disaster Relief Act?
@no1marauder saidWhatever you say. So. Does it cover the government checking out my heating system. I’m not being funny here. Where do you draw the line if someone doesn’t have a place to live , and is walking down the street, the general welfare of that person being primary, means that I should bring them into my house and put them in one of my bedrooms. I don’t know what you’re talking about
Have you ever actually read the US Constitution?
It sure doesn't seem that way.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this ...[text shortened]... w "far down" that concept goes is up to the People and their democratically elected representatives.
@no1marauder saidNot really, but Mott has already made a point which trumps that act, ...that one state is not responsible for another state. Would you tell me where that is written anywhere. And don’t be doing a broad brush with the constitution General Welllfare , get common sense .
I have no idea what you are talking about - most likely because it is rubbish.
Are you familiar with the 1950 Federal Disaster Relief Act?
Is Chicago responsible for Detroit problems? Is it possible for marauder to speak exactly common sense, you are sounding more like the Duchess. Next you will be throwing us a link - You just throw out general welfare, and hit send. That tells me nothing. Should I mow your lawn if the grass gets too high ?