@jj-adams saidYou claimed they openly call for the extermination of the Jews.
hahaha read vivify's post just before yours and it explains why their charter sounds so reasonable.
Hamas's actions speak louder than their words.
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@no1marauder saidRIGHT HERE:
You claimed they openly call for the extermination of the Jews.
You want more? Here's a dozen different Hamas leaders doing the same:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/video-hamas-members-pray-for-slaughter-extermination-and-annihilation-of-jews/
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@jj-adams saidThose statements by one individual do not represent official Hamas policy: https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/hamas-official-calls-on-palestinians-abroad-to-kill-jews
RIGHT HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEgBsU6Mi8
I don't recall any attacks by Hamas outside Palestine and Israel despite this one person's rhetoric.
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@no1marauder saidOne individual?
Those statements by one individual do not represent official Hamas policy: https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/hamas-official-calls-on-palestinians-abroad-to-kill-jews
How about a dozen more Hamas leaders doing the same?
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/video-hamas-members-pray-for-slaughter-extermination-and-annihilation-of-jews/
@jj-adams saidIf you want to claim individual members of Hamas have made statements equivalent to a call for the genocide of Jews that is certainly true.
One individual?
How about a dozen more Hamas leaders doing the same?
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/video-hamas-members-pray-for-slaughter-extermination-and-annihilation-of-jews/
But Hamas' official position remains as reflected in its 2017 Charter that their war is against the Zionists, not the Jews. Claiming otherwise is simply not true.
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@no1marauder saidNot individual members.
If you want to claim individual members of Hamas have made statements equivalent to a call for the genocide of Jews that is certainly true.
But Hamas' official position remains as reflected in its 2017 Charter that their war is against the Zionists, not the Jews. Claiming otherwise is simply not true.
Individual LEADERS with high-ranking positions in Hamas..,
If you want to claim that their propaganda puff-piece meant for the world to see while ignoring what their leaders are preaching to their followers and continue to be a self-brainwashed idiot, then you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Look at their words and look at their actions, stop pointing out some bullchit they put out in their charter or whatever.
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@jj-adams saidYour 55 second IDF piece showed several unnamed imams, the Hamas official statement which we already discussed, a Hamas co-founder reading a short hadith (which is not interpreted as a call to eliminate all Jews by any reputable Islamic scholars) and one other official.
Not individual members.
Individual LEADERS with high-ranking positions in Hamas..,
If you want to claim that their propaganda puff-piece meant for the world to see while ignoring what their leaders are preaching to their followers and continue to be a self-brainwashed idiot, then you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Look at their words and look at their actions, stop pointing out some bullchit they put out in their charter or whatever.
Why should that be accepted as Hamas' official position over its 2017 charter?
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@no1marauder saidTheir names and positions in Hamas are on the bottom of the video.
Your 55 second IDF piece showed several unnamed imams, the Hamas official statement which we already discussed, a Hamas co-founder reading a short piece from the Koran (which is not interpreted as a call to eliminate all Jews by any reputable Islamic scholars) and one other official.
Why should that be accepted as Hamas' official position over its 2017 charter?
You just ignored them.
LOOK at what Hamas does.
Stop making excuses for them.
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@jj-adams saidI read them; did you?
Their names and positions in Hamas are on the bottom of the video.
You just ignored them.
LOOK at what Hamas does.
Stop making excuses for them.
What Hamas does is fight against Israeli occupation. That they do so very often by violating the laws of war is not in dispute.
@jj-adams saidIf Hamas says intifada, it's probably about genocide.
RIGHT HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEgBsU6Mi8
You want more? Here's a dozen different Hamas leaders doing the same:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/10/video-hamas-members-pray-for-slaughter-extermination-and-annihilation-of-jews/
If an undergrad says intifada, it's probably not about genocide.
So it does indeed depend on context.
@shavixmir saidGood point.
Yeah? So? A bunch of criminals call a banana an apple, are you going to take their word for it?
If some guy tells you he's a woman, do you take his word for it?
lol
@earl-of-trumps saidStefanik is a political hack just like you.
Let me say this about Stefanik,,, she is 100% correct.
Three universities led by three DEI bozo's that should all be fired. Harvard just lost a $billion in funding, boo hoo
This is typical right wing "cancel culture" abetted by the mainstream wing of knee jerk, pro-Zionist US "liberalism".
@wildgrass saidTherefore 'intifada' is an inflamatory word. There are a whole bunch of other English words that can be used without giving people the idea you are referring to genocide.
If Hamas says intifada, it's probably about genocide.
If an undergrad says intifada, it's probably not about genocide.
So it does indeed depend on context.