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Calling for extermination of Jews depends on context?

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Three university presidents prove that all the education in the world can't fix stupid:

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You posted from a legit source. Nice.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/uproar-university-presidents-remarks-antisemitism-underscores-tensions-campuses/story?id=105502845

The question leading up to that "depends on context" remark was about students chanting "intifada". Stafanik asked whether that crosses a line into calls for genocide.

To *that" the school president said "depends on the context". That's an answer that totally makes sense.

However, Stefanik seems to have morphed the question into equating "Intifada" chants as the same as calling for genocide. I think that's where the president got tripped up.
Stefanik's line of questioning was basically "intifada" = genocide. She then asked if that breaches code of conduct. The president said "depends on context",

The president got tripped up by classic lawyering. She should've said "whether or not 'intifada' calls for genocide depends on context". It was a four-hour hearing so she may just have been too worn down by questions to think of that.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/uproar-university-presidents-remarks-antisemitism-underscores-tensions-campuses/story?id=105502845

Stefanik's question was about chants of "intifada," the Arab word for "shaking off" or "uprising," at protests on campuses.

"Does that speech not cross that barrier, does that speech not call for the genocide of Jews and the elimination of Israel?" she asked. "Is that speech according to the code of conduct or not?"

"We embrace a commitment to free expression and give a wide berth to free expression, even views that are objectionable," said Claudine Gay, the president of Harvard University.

Asked the same question, Elizabeth Magill, president of Penn, said "it is a context-dependent decision." Sally Kornbluth, the president of MIT, said it would be investigated as harassment, "if pervasive and severe."

The presidents refused to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer. Instead, they gave carefully worded responses touching on the tricky issue of free speech.

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Intifada intishmada, the question was "is calling for the genocide of Jews against your university rules" and all three hemmed and hawed and refused to say yes.

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Intifada intishmada, the question was "is calling for the genocide of Jews against your university rules" and all three hemmed and hawed and refused to say yes.
I agree with you. They should've just said "yes". All I'm doing is showing why they answered how they did.

The woman asking the question made a false equivalence with "intifada" chants and genocide. Those three failed to correct her and paid for it.

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I agree with you. They should've just said "yes". All I'm doing is showing why they answered how they did.

The woman asking the question made a false equivalence with "intifada" chants and genocide. Those three failed to correct her and paid for it.
When Hamas calls for intifada, they do mean extermination, they say so openly, regardless of whatever definition you want to put on it.

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@vivify said
You posted from a legit source. Nice.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/uproar-university-presidents-remarks-antisemitism-underscores-tensions-campuses/story?id=105502845

The question leading up to that "depends on context" remark was about students chanting "intifada". Stafanik asked whether that crosses a line into calls for genocide.

To *that" the school president sai ...[text shortened]... . It was a four-hour hearing so she may just have been too worn down by questions to think of that.
Exactly. Good lawyering. The president issued a statement after clarifying that point and yet Stefanik still insists that is what they meant.

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@jj-adams said
When Hamas calls for intifada, they do mean extermination, they say so openly, regardless of whatever definition you want to put on it.
That term predates Hamas by several centuries.
And the First Intifada (Palestinian uprising) was in the 80's just before Hamas even formed.

Hamas doesn't own the word and their definition of it doesn't make it so. "Intifada" refers to an uprising; it doesn't mean genocide.

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@jj-adams said
When Hamas calls for intifada, they do mean extermination, they say so openly, regardless of whatever definition you want to put on it.
Hey idiot intifada does not mean genocide no matter who says it. Hamas actually call for genocide but intifada means uprising and usually results in Palestinian children being shot by the IDF for throwing stones
But the three individuals have proven themselves too stupid to be running top educational establishments. The answer to the question ‘is calling for the genocide of the Jews wrong’ is always yes. It’s not even protected by the 1st amendment because it’s a clear call for violence unless there is a non violent method of genocide
But the fact is calling for an intifada is not calling for genocide

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Hey idiot intifada does not mean genocide no matter who says it. Hamas actually call for genocide but intifada means uprising and usually results in Palestinian children being shot by the IDF for throwing stones
But the three individuals have proven themselves too stupid to be running top educational establishments. The answer to the question ‘is calling for the genocide o ...[text shortened]... non violent method of genocide
But the fact is calling for an intifada is not calling for genocide
OK it doesn't mean genocide.
They sure do manage to kill a lot of people when they do it though, don't they?

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@jj-adams said
When Hamas calls for intifada, they do mean extermination, they say so openly, regardless of whatever definition you want to put on it.
Yeah? So? A bunch of criminals call a banana an apple, are you going to take their word for it?

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Yeah? So? A bunch of criminals call a banana an apple, are you going to take their word for it?
So Hamas calls for it and they mean extermination and all the silly college students call for it but they don't know what they are calling for ...oh...screw it.
Liberal doosh bag students are supporting Hamas in their demonstrations because they are idiots and stoopit college presidents are too mealy-mouthed to say genocide is bad.
Dumbash academic leftist crapheads..

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So Hamas calls for it and they mean extermination and all the silly college students call for it but they don't know what they are calling for ...oh...screw it.
This was just explained to you. Hamas isn't the only one that uses the term. It's been used by non-Hamas Palestinians before Hamas even existed.

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@jj-adams said
So Hamas calls for it and they mean extermination and all the silly college students call for it but they don't know what they are calling for ...oh...screw it.
Liberal doosh bag students are supporting Hamas in their demonstrations because they are idiots and stoopit college presidents are too mealy-mouthed to say genocide is bad.
Dumbash academic leftist crapheads..
You are right here. The meaning of intifada does not include genocide by definition but in the usage by Hamas they clearly spell out that their aim of their intifada is genocide and the regaining of all the land of Palestine from the river to the sea. There is no 2-state solution and no peace for these supporters of Hamas. If these people support Hamas which they do, then their use of the word intifada, includes genocide, and they are aware of that.

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@jj-adams said
So Hamas calls for it and they mean extermination and all the silly college students call for it but they don't know what they are calling for ...oh...screw it.
Liberal doosh bag students are supporting Hamas in their demonstrations because they are idiots and stoopit college presidents are too mealy-mouthed to say genocide is bad.
Dumbash academic leftist crapheads..
No. No they don’t.
They have the sentiment of wanting to get all the Jews (or any oppressor) out of Palestine, but that is not the meaning of that word.

No matter how you try to justify your uneducated opinion on the matter.

Intifada means “shake off”.

A dog shakes off water as the oppressed would shake off the oppressor.

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