Originally posted by Starrman
I have done so many times and I can safely say that I play just as well under the effects as I do sober. However, I am not a very good chess player anyhow, obviously if I was really serious about it I would probably not smoke at all.
I don't see your point either way, I smoke for pleasure, I play for pleasure.
I see, you never play for blood ....... 😀
Originally posted by ivanhoeAnd do you not believe that alcohol causes mental illnesses, when the wrong people use it? And when I say wrong, I mean, people with a pre-disposition for mental illnesses.
I do drink alcohol sometimes.
Do you not believe that alcohol is dangerous? Don't tell me that 1 or 2 glasses a day is fine, because I've seen plenty of cases where people have been barely over the limit, and been involved in fatal car crashes, killing themselves and upto 8 other people. People are still dangerous drivers, even the day after consuming alcohol. You don't get this with cannabis.
And apart from the road fatalities, how many countless people have drank themselves to death? I've never heard of a person that has smoked himself to death.
How many people have died as a result of being beaten up by a drunken person/husband?
How many people have drowned on their own puke after a drinking session?
A guy I know can only eat food stuffs like porridge after only drinking for 4 years. Admittedly, he was drinking whiskey, but he wasn't a massively heavy drinker.
How much money has been spent in A&E treating alcohol related injuries? I've been in A&E once for an alcohol related injury and to be honest, they could have shut up shop if it weren't for the pissheads.
Why do you differentiate so much between alcohol and cannabis? Is it due to the bible? Or because it is illegal?
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Originally posted by RagnorakRagnorak: "Why do you differentiate so much between alcohol and cannabis? Is it due to the bible? Or because it is illegal?"
And do you not believe that alcohol causes mental illnesses, when the wrong people use it? And when I say wrong, I mean, people with a pre-disposition for mental illnesses.
Do you not believe that alcohol is dangerous? Don't tell me ...[text shortened]... cannabis? Is it due to the bible? Or because it is illegal?
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Neither. In general I consider casual cannabis use to be more harmfull to our mental health than casual drinking. The scientific resarch that is being done the last few years seem to point exactly in that direction.
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Historical use also appears to *wreck* one's spelling :-)I was a heavy dope smoker at university, and for about five years afterwards. At the time I thought it was great. Gradually, however, I found the effect of the spliffs was getting more and more intense (perhaps the gear was getting stronger, perhaps I burnt out the dope receptors in my brain, I don't know).
I stopped smoking it. And after a few months, I realised that I had, in effect, put my career on hold for five years. It's only since stopping smoking cannabis that I am actually progressing in my career.
My wife and I went to Amsterdam a couple of months ago, and we had a spliff for old time's sake. Big mistake. At the risk of sounding like a hoary old bugger, the dope available nowadays is really rather strong (15% THC vs 4% THC in the 80s).
I can very easily believe that spliffs can trigger mental illness. It doesn't kill people like alcohol does, but I believe it wreaks one's drive. For some people that's no loss; it was for me.
Originally posted by ivangrice
I was a heavy dope smoker at university, and for about five years afterwards. At the time I thought it was great. Gradually, however, I found the effect of the spliffs was getting more and more intense (perhaps the gear was getting stronger, perhaps I burnt out the dope receptors in my brain, I don't know).
I stopped smoking it. And after a few mont ...[text shortened]... hol does, but I believe it wreaks one's drive. For some people that's no loss; it was for me.
Your story isn't the only one that I've heard about the negative effects of cannabis, I can assure you.
Originally posted by ivanhoeAgreed there are some negative stories re: cannabis use, as there also are many re: alcohol use.
Your story isn't the only one that I've heard about the negative effects of cannabis, I can assure you.
That said, some MS sufferers have claimed that THC has helped them either deal with leg spasms associated with the condition, or as am alternative source of pain relief.
Originally posted by rhbI don't doubt that some people experience relief from the symptoms of MS. I just get a little exasperated when I hear people (not your good self, rhb) say that cannabis has absolutely no deleterious effects.
Agreed there are some negative stories re: cannabis use, as there also are many re: alcohol use.
That said, some MS sufferers have claimed that THC has helped them either deal with leg spasms associated with the condition, or as am alternative source of pain relief.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThere are of course negative effects, but there are with any form of inebriant, alcohol kills, maims and causes mental and physical health issues in millions of people the world over every year.
Your story isn't the only one that I've heard about the negative effects of cannabis, I can assure you.
I, and the majority of my social circle have been smoking cannibis for about 11 years. I agree there are times when I feel lazy about my life, but then I give it up for a few weeks and it goes away. I have also taken plenty of other narcotics, some in large amounts, they are more damaging and these days I do not take class A drugs anymore.
The likelyhood is that the people who suffer from mental health issues as a result of smoking cannibis are probably more susceptible to mental health problems anyway.
There are a great number of positive effects of cannibis too and I have never heard a negative story myself. There is every likelyhood that these people also drank alcohol and had some level of stress to deal with in their lives, both of which would have helped contribute to any mental health issues.
Ivanhoe, let me ask you, have you experience of cannibis? If so, do you think what I have said above is unrealistic? If not, how can you hold an opinion one way or another without personal experience? Let me also ask you, do you think that from what you can gleen from my posts in these forums, I have suffered any side effects of long term cannibis abuse? (depsite a somewhat cynical regard for authority 🙂)