@averagejoe1 saidMusty, Marauder does not have an answer for this direct question. Frankly, i wouldn’t either. That is, if your law of a $30M cap
Not Gods. Rainmakers, Yes!
Lord, you are like Musty. “Govt should dictate salaries!” Marx would LOVE you!! You are Musty. Creepier and creepier...
Clowns? Tim Cook a clown.? Seamlessly runningt. You running a $2 trillion corporatiion. Hello?
You might should take a break. You and Musty? If i have $30M And my uncle gives me $30 million in his w ...[text shortened]... foolish your position is. Oh and the position of musty as well. ha ha Ha
Musty and Marauder.
Is in place, what would i do if someone just gave me $30M, when i am worth $30M?
@averagejoe1 saidWhy ask me? I didn't propose any "wealth cap".
Musty, Marauder does not have an answer for this direct question. Frankly, i wouldn’t either. That is, if your law of a $30M cap
Is in place, what would i do if someone just gave me $30M, when i am worth $30M?
@no1marauder saidMy error, then. Sorry. You and musty were whipped up into a frenzy and I attributed that to you. So will you help me get musty to answer my question?
Why ask me? I didn't propose any "wealth cap".
I would think that you, and everyone else in our RHP, would love to know his answer to his unbelievable scenarios. Granted, we have typed him pretty well, but it would be entertaining
@averagejoe1 saidAre you suggesting that criminalizing random acts of kindness will make people less self-sufficient and less resourceful? Are you suggesting that being kind to people makes them dependent?
Republicans think people should be self-sufficientl, resourceful. Take their water and condiments for the line,
My my, you fellers keep confirming that you are a dependent lot. You actually depend on some stranger to give (for free?] you water. Like, you depend on me, a stranger, to give money to the government for your use.
Something tells me that you TOO ...[text shortened]... the last months. I didn’t. And the money you got........was from me. Happy? You’re welcome.
Henry David Thoreau hoed his own beans and felled the trees to build his cabin on Walden Pond; that showed self-sufficiency and resourcefulness. Admirable traits indeed. But where'd he get the hoe and the axe? Did he smelt the iron to make his own tools? Somewhere along the line, you too will need the help of other people, and the best way to get help is to be seen to be willing to give it.
@moonbus saidThis is a good post, moonman. you hit some interesting points, however contentious.
Are you suggesting that criminalizing random acts of kindness will make people less self-sufficient and less resourceful? Are you suggesting that being kind to people makes them dependent?
Henry David Thoreau hoed his own beans and felled the trees to build his cabin on Walden Pond; that showed self-sufficiency and resourcefulness. Admirable traits indeed. But where'd he g ...[text shortened]... need the help of other people, and the best way to get help is to be seen to be willing to give it.
Firstly, I want to start out by saying that when I got out of the hospital / rehab after several months absence,
I was quite shaky, and still am. I was so lucky to get the outpouring of support that I received and *still do*.
But this is so different from government support, it really is for people in my generation, mostly.
When I grew up, people really helped neighbors. I have heard the story so many times how my grandmother
nursed a newborn of her friend/neighbor because the mother was unable to and my grandmother had given birth, too. Awesome.
That baby, Louis, told me the story. True.
But people of that era always viewed the few on welfare as weak leaches and systemically draining the government.
IMO, it does and did eventually change the thinking of Americans and made being dependent a good thing.
But it is a bad thing. It really does encourage more dependence. People will usually seek out the "easy way".
My opinions, bub.
Oh, and as a Thoreou admirer, I have been to Walden Pond. Great experience.
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@earl-of-trumps saidDid you just call me...BLOB?!
This is a good post, moonman. you hit some interesting points, however contentious.
Firstly, I want to start out by saying that when I got out of the hospital / rehab after several months absence,
I was quite shaky, and still am. I was so lucky to get the outpouring of support that I received and *still do*.
But this is so different from government support, it re ...[text shortened]...
My opinions, bub.
Oh, and as a Thoreou admirer, I have been to Walden Pond. Great experience.
@moonbus saidContrary to popular belief, Thoreau only lived like a mile out of town and was visited daily by people. He also went into town all the time to hang out. Certainly didn't spend a year in isolation like most people think.
Henry David Thoreau hoed his own beans and felled the trees to build his cabin on Walden Pond; that showed self-sufficiency and resourcefulness. Admirable traits indeed. But where'd he get the hoe and the axe? Did he smelt the iron to make his own tools? Somewhere along the line, you too will need the help of other people, and the best way to get help is to be seen to be willing to give it.
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@liljo saidRich people are those who make the majority of their income from passive sources like rental homes and stocks
Define "rich."
If I lived in a third world country under what was left of a bombed out roof, scrambling for every meal, I would consider someone in the USA living in a 30-year old mobile home with a working refrigerator and a 15 year old car to be RICH.
What is your definition of "rich." Is it someone who has worked for 45 years, starting at minimum wage but working so ha ...[text shortened]... " beyond my wildest dreams. What's Pelosi's worth now...well over $100,000,000 (that was in 2010)...
If I lived in a third world country under what was left of a bombed out roof, scrambling for every meal, I would consider someone in the USA living in a 30-year old mobile home with a working refrigerator and a 15 year old car to be RICH.
No you would KNOW who the rich are because they’re the ones who you pay rent to, who monopolize the food market and who pay your desperate daughters pittance amounts to serve as their sex slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_billionaires_by_net_worth
https://www.rappler.com/business/filipino-billionaires-grow-wealth-coronavirus-pandemic-forbes-list-2021
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2021/04/06/mexicos-richest-billionaires-2021/?sh=8c7cee05265c
^All countries well known for being " third world countr[ies where people live] under what was left of a bombed out roof, scrambling for every meal"
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@AThousandYoung
Definition of rich...
I think one defintion is that you make enough money to be happy. Studies find that an individual needs to make 85k a year to hit the happiness plateau.
To be considered upper class the income would need to be closer to 200k for an individual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_class
Historically in some cultures, members of an upper class often did not have to work for a living, as they were supported by earned or inherited investments (often real estate), although members of the upper class may have had less actual money than merchants.[4] Upper-class status commonly derived from the social position of one's family and not from one's own achievements or wealth. Much of the population that composed the upper class consisted of aristocrats, ruling families, titled people, and religious hierarchs. These people were usually born into their status and historically there was not much movement across class boundaries.
In many countries, the term "upper class" was intimately associated with hereditary land ownership. Political power was often in the hands of the landowners in many pre-industrial societies despite there being no legal barriers to land ownership for other social classes.
@AThousandYoung
In the US we do not have an aristocracy class as the definition of rich, or did that "in some countries" slip your notice?
I suppose in countries with stronger European aritstocratic ties, such things may still be part of the equation, or even parts of the US, specifically the New England states.
@eladar saidAristocracy just means upper class
@AThousandYoung
In the US we do not have an aristocracy class as the definition of rich, or did that "in some countries" slip your notice?
I suppose in countries with stronger European aritstocratic ties, such things may still be part of the equation, or even parts of the US, specifically the New England states.
@athousandyoung saidMaybe to someone from a poverty hispanic background, but that is not from the white middle class background.
Aristocracy just means upper class
From where I grew up in Southern California, there were no aristocratic families, just rich people who had high paying jobs.
@athousandyoung saidGotta ask.... i’m nit good a carpentry and labor. Sohow to keep from starving? Borrow enoughmoney from bank for downpayment on a duplex. Then I RENT IT TO TWO COUPLES, and, After expenses, I net about $1200 a month. I put it in my pocket. Yes I’ll make money while I am asleep.
Rich people are those who make the majority of their income from passive sources like rental homes and stocksIf I lived in a third world country under what was left of a bombed out roof, scrambling for every meal, I would consider someone in the USA living in a 30-year old mobile home with a working refrigerator and a 15 year old car to be RICH.
...[text shortened]... d countr[ies where people live] under what was left of a bombed out roof, scrambling for every meal"
PLEASE follow up in your post here, am I right or wrong or greedy or smart or WHAT?