@very-musty saidDon't be stupid. Pay attention to what was said.
@vivify
So you're cherry picking data to fit you're agenda.
Typical liberal.
Do you think more deaths are caused by legal guns or illegal guns?
Just pick one.
Including all deaths and situations...not just the ones that fit your agenda.
You won't answer because you know it's illegal guns owned by your inner city hoodrats.
General data regarding how many gun deaths are from illegally obtained weapons aren't available, as evidenced by the fact that you're unable to cite a link proving that "most gun murders" are with illegal guns.
There *is* data regarding mass murderers, however; that data shows the overwhelming majority of those murders are with legally obtained guns.
Now keep this mind and try your response again.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/
So here is data up to 2004 and we have more illegal guns than ever so I'm sure you'll say politifact is wrong or not good or some other excuse 🙄
The numbers show most gun murders/crimes are from illegal guns.
The Feds came up with the numbers but we all know you are smarter than them 🙄
@dood111 saidhttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/texas-gun-law-no-permit
And to purchase a gun LEGALLY you have to go through a STATE and FEDERAL background check to see if you have any felony convictions, anywhere, ever. been that way for over 50 years.
TEXAS IS ABOUT TO PASS AN INSANE LAW LETTING PEOPLE CARRY GUNS WITHOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS, LICENSES, OR TRAINING
Conservatives don't care about any of that crap. They just want to make it harder for anyone not white to vote because nonwhites typically vote for Democrats.
@very-musty saidFrom your own link:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/
So here is data up to 2004 and we have more illegal guns than ever so I'm sure you'll say politifact is wrong or not good or some other excuse 🙄
The numbers show most gun murders/crimes are from illegal guns.
The Feds came up with the numbers but we all know you are smarter than them 🙄
"illegal gun crime is not well researched in the U.S. The latest data is more than a decade old".
The article outright says that it's hard to determine what is an illegally obtained gun and what it isn't. from the article: "Researchers did not track the share of inmates who purchased a gun legally through other means."
You who complained about "cherry-picking" and the make a post doing just that with your link.
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@very-musty saidYour article also says that this "data" was just a survey done by asking inmates who were asked to provide who had a gun during their crimes and who possessed one.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/
So here is data up to 2004
In other words, a survey asking convicted criminals to rat out their conspirators. Very reliable "data".
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@very-musty saidYou were refuted, plain and simple. Your "data" consisted of a survey from inmates.
@vivify
Just following your example.
You cherry pick...so will I.
300 homicides in Chicago this year 😆
Want to talk about that?
Those were legal guns right? 😆
Next we'll do NY and L.A.
You're out of your league in debates. Discussing facts and data is much harder than your General Forum activity of posting emojis and typing "lol".
@vivify saidThis is what conservatives are going deliberately trying to avoid: that own party admitted the election was secure, and they have no reason to pursue voter ID laws. But election security is not their reason: it's voter supression.
https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs
Trump’s own officials say 2020 was America’s most secure election in history
This has nothing to do with election fraud. Conservatives know that nonwhites, for various reasons including systemic racism, have a harder time obtaining ID, especially for legal immigrants. They also know nonwhites vote against them.
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@vivify
So say more people die from legal guns then.
You're arguing it but then you back down and say... "there's no data"...
Here's a fact..
Hoodrats in the inner cities kill thousands a year all across America with illegal guns but you go ahead and focus on the legal gun deaths because you're too scared to say your own kind is the biggest problem. 😉
LoL 🤔🤨😆
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@vivify saidThe data was from arrests.
You were refuted, plain and simple. Your "data" consisted of a survey from inmates.
You're out of your league in debates. Discussing facts and data is much harder than your General Forum activity of posting emojis and typing "lol".
Then they asked the inmates where they got the gun.
They can tell if a gun is legal or not by the registration numbers.
@Librarian: Ok, here is your book to take out, "Peter Pan". May I see some ID?
@Liberal: Reading suppression!! Reading suppression, you racist!
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@very-musty saidThey uses a survey requiring inmates to be honest about where they obtained weapons, and who among them had one.
The data was from arrests.
Then they asked the inmates where they got the gun.
They can tell if a gun is legal or not by the registration numbers.
This is obviously not information law enforcement already knows; otherwise they wouldn't be asking the inmates. Clearly not the most reliable way to gain information, is it?