@Metal-Brain saidhttps://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/26/16033956/trump-tax-cuts-rich-wealthy-middle-class
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-urges-speaker-mike-johnson-raise-taxes-wealthy-rcna205698
Do you support Trump's effort to tax the rich or are you against that?
Yes or no?
Trump keeps saying he’ll raise taxes on the rich. He’s lying.
All of his plans would cut taxes for top earners, by a lot.
by Jim Tankersley
Jul 26, 2017, 9:10 AM MST
President Trump is once again claiming he wants to tax high-earning Americans more, in order to pay for tax cuts for businesses and the middle class. For some reason, people keep believing him — even though, in more than two years of making similar statements, Trump has never put forth a tax plan that would be anything but a huge windfall for the very rich.
Trump’s latest venue for his soak-the-rich rhetoric was an interview with the Wall Street Journal, in which he declared “the truth is the people I care most about are the middle-income people in this country who have gotten screwed.” He then proceeded to open the door to higher taxes on top earners, by name-dropping his pal Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots. From the Journal (emphasis mine):
And if there’s upward revision it’s going to be on high-income people. You know, I was with Bob Kraft the other night. He came to have dinner with me. He’s a friend of mine. And as he left, he said, Donald, don’t worry about the rich people. Tax the rich people. You got to take care of the people in the country. It was a very interesting statement. I feel the same way. ...
We want — look, the job producers we’re going to take great care of, but we have to take care of middle-income people in this country. They built the country, they started this whole beautiful thing that we have, and we have to take care of them. And people have not taken care of them, and we’re going to. And I mean, I have wealthy friends that say to me I don’t mind paying more tax. And I’ll tell you what I sort of don’t like, is when they — you know, you’ll do your charts in The Wall Street Journal and they’ll be brilliantly done, very nice, and they’ll show that a rich guy who made, you know, $25 million last year is going to pay less than he was. In a certain way, I don’t like that. I’d rather take that difference and put it into the middle-income and put it into corporate.
The Journal interviewers react credulously — they immediately ask Trump if such a plan should not, in fact, be able to attract votes from Democrats. But they do not ask about Trump’s existing tax proposal — which does not actually include higher taxes on the rich — or even about why he has never followed through on his previous promises to raise taxes on people like himself.
In August 2015, then-candidate Trump told Bloomberg: “I do very well. I don’t mind paying a little more in taxes. The middle class is getting clobbered in this country.” A month later, he unveiled his tax plan in Trump Tower and declared, “It’s going to cost me a fortune, which is actually true.”
It wasn’t.
Every iteration of Trump’s tax plan, from his first campaign outline to the lightly detailed blueprint his White House team released this spring, has been scored by independent analysts as a huge tax cut for the very rich.
You don’t have to be an economist to understand why: Trump, in every case, has proposed reducing the top individual income tax rate, while also reducing business taxes that primarily affect high earners. (The goal of such cuts is to boost economic growth and lift incomes across the board.) He’s floated a few loophole closures that would affect the rich, but the rate cuts would swamp them.
Here’s how the Tax Policy Center, working off the very rough outline from this spring, projected Trump’s plans would affect the rich and the middle class. The lines show increase in income — which means that in every scenario, the rich cash in big time.
[See article for graph]
Trump could change this, of course. He could heed his adviser Steve Bannon’s call and increase the top marginal rate. He could limit deductions — any deductions at all — to middle-class incomes or below. He could actively put forth a plan that includes provisions to force rich people to pay more in taxes, as Hillary Clinton did during the 2016 plan.
He has not done that. Until he does, no one should take his claims to the contrary seriously.
@Metal-Brain saidAre you seriously that stupid?
It was not working well because the real goal is to invade Iran and install another puppet government like they did in 1953. Just like the real goal was to invade Iraq, not get rid of non existent WMDs. Saddam agreed to inspections to prove he did not have WMDs. Bush said he had enough with his so called "games" because it was never about WMDs. It was about invading and installing a puppet government like always.
Obama had no time to "invade" Iran. What an idiot you are for even suggesting that.
As a result, he knew the best way to keep Iran from building nukes was to put in place a deal that could monitor their acquisition of the materials necessary to refine uranium.
And it was working.
Until Trump decided to eliminate it only because "Obama did it".
He's as stupid as you.
@Metal-Brain saidKiss my ass COMRADE. WE ALL SAW WHAT HAPPENED ON TV THAT DAY and no amount of you or your Russian buddies can change that, as much as you fervently want to rewrite history.
That is a lie. There was no "at first" at all. Both happened at the same time.
CP were letting people in at one door while staging a break in at another door by undercover FBI agents.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2023/10/watch-january-6th-part-1/
Stop making up BS.
@sonhouse saidDid you see the capitol police let protesters inside the capitol building on TV or was that omitted from the corporate news media?
Kiss my ass COMRADE. WE ALL SAW WHAT HAPPENED ON TV THAT DAY and no amount of you or your Russian buddies can change that, as much as you fervently want to rewrite history.
@Metal-Brain saidSorry, your boss Putin trying to rewrite history won't fly so once more KISS MY ASS COMRADE TRAITOR.
Did you see the capitol police let protesters inside the capitol building on TV or was that omitted from the corporate news media?
@sonhouse saidThe capitol police let protesters inside the capitol building as I proved on this forum countless times. You are trying to rewrite history. Why are you trying to do that?
Sorry, your boss Putin trying to rewrite history won't fly so once more KISS MY ASS COMRADE TRAITOR.
You know what I said is true. Do you work for the CIA to spread disinformation on forums?
@Metal-Brain saidThey "let' in protesters after they were OVERWHELMED you POS traitor.
The capitol police let protesters inside the capitol building as I proved on this forum countless times. You are trying to rewrite history. Why are you trying to do that?
You know what I said is true. Do you work for the CIA to spread disinformation on forums?
I WISH I could find you and we could have it out.
You DISCUST me, you are not an American, you are a Russian asset.
You Hate the IDEA of democracy, you WANT Trump to become a dictator,
You don't care in the slightest Trump is killing science in the US, already 150,000 children are dead from starvation and lack of medical help because of the end of USAID, GREAT way to put out good will for the US.
The "beautiful bill' will knock some 13 MILLION off of insurance, and give billionaires a quarter million in tax benefits but the lower ten percent gets maybe a hundred bucks off their taxes.
Just the kind of bill you would AUTOMATICALLY LOVE.
@sonhouse said"They "let' in protesters after they were OVERWHELMED"
They "let' in protesters after they were OVERWHELMED you POS traitor.
I WISH I could find you and we could have it out.
You DISCUST me, you are not an American, you are a Russian asset.
You Hate the IDEA of democracy, you WANT Trump to become a dictator,
You don't care in the slightest Trump is killing science in the US, already 150,000 children are dead from starvation ...[text shortened]... ent gets maybe a hundred bucks off their taxes.
Just the kind of bill you would AUTOMATICALLY LOVE.
NO. That is a lie. The protesters let in were not in great numbers. It was an inside job. Show me the videos of protesters piling in. It didn't happen. They came in slowly.
You have been duped by fake lying fact checkers again.
@Metal-Brain saidYou cannot rewrite history. We all saw what happened on TV.
"They "let' in protesters after they were OVERWHELMED"
NO. That is a lie. The protesters let in were not in great numbers. It was an inside job. Show me the videos of protesters piling in. It didn't happen. They came in slowly.
You have been duped by fake lying fact checkers again.
So take your Putin propaganda and shove it up your ass.
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@AverageJoe1 saidMaddow isn't a source of info, she's a source of opinion. She passes off her opinions as fact, and the number of lies she's been caught in are too numerous to mention.
This one says Maddow is a good info source. She also thinks priority should be given to paying off loans of college losers, rather than applying time and money to to acquiring an interest in Greenland. Let Russia have Greenland, such as that.
Libs do not want us to acquire an interest in Greenland. Can you imagine their mindsets?
Biden never thought about th ...[text shortened]... ld does. Minerals in Greenland would be great. All that he does is great. Don't you just hate it.
@AverageJoe1 saidOF COURSE you want to rewrite history, just a peaceful political discourse not an insurrection at all.
I'd skipped over this thread, nothing there for me, but Lo and Behold!!!! Sonhouse is still on January 6?!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
@sonhouse saidI can hardly spar about an insurrection that wasn't. And, See that I never participated in this Thread, because???......I am not THINKING about even putting your toxic words into my contributions. My great great grandchildren may accidentally come across it in 2050.
OF COURSE you want to rewrite history, just a peaceful political discourse not an insurrection at all.
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@AverageJoe1 saidMY toxic words. RIGHT. I guess you tuned out the fact that ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY cops were injured and 2 DIED AND that stupid woman trying to force her way in.
I can hardly spar about an insurrection that wasn't. And, See that I never participated in this Thread, because???......I am not THINKING about even putting your toxic words into my contributions. My great great grandchildren may accidentally come across it in 2050.
But if your ultrarightwingnut buddies get to be in TOTAL charge there WILL be a total rewrite of history where the insurrectionists were PATRIOTS just like Trump said.
Patriots MY ASS, they CRAPPED on the walls, stole laptops, desecrated our most sacred building you IDIOT.
They were trying to upset the Biden victory and there were THREE separate programs to do that, the insurrection proper and the fake electors and Trump and his crones calling inspector generals in swing states so don't tell ME is was not an insurrection, it was an attempted COUP and there is NOTHING you can say or do that will change that FACT. AND they ADMITTED they WOULD have killed Mike Pence if they could have found him, it was not a fake hanging rope, they WOULD have used it to hang pence if he had not been hidden.
So KISS MY ASS YOU ARE JUST AS MUCH OF A TRAITOR AS THOSE INSURRECTIONISTS.
@sonhouse saidYou omit the possible treason of the vile Jill and Biden.
MY toxic words. RIGHT. I guess you tuned out the fact that ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY cops were injured and 2 DIED AND that stupid woman trying to force her way in.
But if your ultrarightwingnut buddies get to be in TOTAL charge there WILL be a total rewrite of history where the insurrectionists were PATRIOTS just like Trump said.
Patriots MY ASS, they CRAPPED on the walls, sto ...[text shortened]... he had not been hidden.
So KISS MY ASS YOU ARE JUST AS MUCH OF A TRAITOR AS THOSE INSURRECTIONISTS.