Democrats calling for military coup

@sonhouse said
Tax cuts don't create deficits. So what about the part where with tax cuts there is not as much money coming in from the IRS to FUND the government in the first place? So they don't have enough money they are forced to borrow, Wait, that runs up the deficit. Don't know what economics school YOU went to but this is economics 101.

So what about the part that "government spending (does) create deficits..." You left that out.
You are still not closing your posts. You sure write a lot to not close posts.

@AverageJoe1 said
So what about the part that "government spending (does) create deficits..." You left that out.
You are still not closing your posts. You sure write a lot to not close posts.

You mean it was hard for you to understand the part where I said they would not have enough money, like to pay military or whatever? Is that so hard to understand? I guess so. Saying they would not have enough money, what did you think that meant? That they were hording money in vaults and were not spending any of it? Now you are nit picking.
So THAT is your incredible rebuttal? Tell me this: If the sinister Zombies were really interested in saving money, not spending so much why did they couple a multi TRILLION dollar increase of the national debt to a multi trillion dollar tax cut? We gained NOTHING with that move. Except an even HIGHER payment of the INTEREST on the national debt. So we will have LESS money for everything else.
Real great thinking here.
And you just let it slide and just assume they know what they are doing and it is clear as a bell they don't know jack, Just one thing, that TRUMP wants a huge tax cut for billionaires.
As it is written, the upper one tenth of one percent will get a third of a MILLION dollar cut in their taxes but the lower ten percent, MAYBE 80 bucks less.
But I guess all that is just FINE with you.

@sonhouse said
You mean it was hard for you to understand the part where I said they would not have enough money, like to pay military or whatever? Is that so hard to understand? I guess so. Saying they would not have enough money, what did you think that meant? That they were hording money in vaults and were not spending any of it? Now you are nit picking.
So THAT is your incredible rebu ...[text shortened]... r taxes but the lower ten percent, MAYBE 80 bucks less.
But I guess all that is just FINE with you.

Do you REALLY know not what is going on?? There will be Tax Cuts, and there will be spending reductions. Your posts tend to fizzzle.......

Oh MB is looking for you over in the rewrite history thread

@Metal-Brain said
False analogy. Nobody attempts a coup without weapons. 99% of them were unarmed....and they were republicans!

I bet you fully endorse the provision in the 'beautiful bill' that decimates ALL the courts including SCOTUS. If passed that will IMMEDIATELY end our democracy.
Because ALL the courts would have ZERO ability to enforce rulings or injunctions so that would mean Trump completes the coup that the courts were the last road to stopping the abuse of power of Trump and he would then BE a king. A REAL king, with NOBODY to stop ANYTHING he does and the first thing he will do is declare martial law, use the military to quell ALL protests, go after MSNBC, shut down ALL critics and stop elections, and years from now if he wants to retire, install anyone he wants as his successor, like Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, Vought, Don Jr, Eric, whomever he wants to continue the dynasty.

And I know it is a useless gesture to ask you to contact your senators to try to stop that since that is EXACTLY what you want, the end of democracy here.
I HAVE sent that notice to MY senators and urged a dozen people to do likewise so we will see if Trump completes the coup he started on Jan 6.

@Metal-Brain said
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-urges-speaker-mike-johnson-raise-taxes-wealthy-rcna205698

Do you support Trump's effort to tax the rich or are you against that?
Yes or no?

Exactly what planet are you from again? TRUMP increasing taxes on the rich?
This 'beautiful bill' will give a third of a MILLION tax break for the top one tenth of one percent and for the lower ten percent, MAYBE an 80 dollar cut.
You need to do a bit of research before you start spouting BS about Trump increasing taxes. He OWES it politically to lower taxes ONLY on the ultrarich because THEY are the ones who bought his way into the White House.

@sonhouse said
Exactly what planet are you from again? TRUMP increasing taxes on the rich?
This 'beautiful bill' will give a third of a MILLION tax break for the top one tenth of one percent and for the lower ten percent, MAYBE an 80 dollar cut.
You need to do a bit of research before you start spouting BS about Trump increasing taxes. He OWES it politically to lower taxes ONLY on the ultrarich because THEY are the ones who bought his way into the White House.

No. I did not mention the rich, these job creators are another issue.

Sonhouse, are you aware that the Medicaid/Medicare issue is about getting people off of Medicare that have no right to be there????. Tell me, do you agree that people should not be on Medicare who are in fact ON Medicare????/.

@sonhouse said
Exactly what planet are you from again? TRUMP increasing taxes on the rich?
This 'beautiful bill' will give a third of a MILLION tax break for the top one tenth of one percent and for the lower ten percent, MAYBE an 80 dollar cut.
You need to do a bit of research before you start spouting BS about Trump increasing taxes. He OWES it politically to lower taxes ONLY on the ultrarich because THEY are the ones who bought his way into the White House.

Curious....what has 'owing', whether that is his reason or not, got to do with it??

@sonhouse said
I bet you fully endorse the provision in the 'beautiful bill' that decimates ALL the courts including SCOTUS. If passed that will IMMEDIATELY end our democracy.
Because ALL the courts would have ZERO ability to enforce rulings or injunctions so that would mean Trump completes the coup that the courts were the last road to stopping the abuse of power of Trump and he would th ...[text shortened]... urged a dozen people to do likewise so we will see if Trump completes the coup he started on Jan 6.

You tell us SCOTUS will be gone 😆 and unbeievalby predict exactly what will happen when they are gone.
It's sunday, I am off to church. Whew.

@AverageJoe1 said
Curious....what has 'owing', whether that is his reason or not, got to do with it??

Yeah right. Like you totally don't understand the concept of political payback.
I guess you forgot MUSK gave Trump a quarter of a BIILLION for his campaign.
You think that was just a freebie, no return on investment expected?
Are you that daft?

@AverageJoe1 said
You tell us SCOTUS will be gone 😆 and unbeievalby predict exactly what will happen when they are gone.
It's sunday, I am off to church. Whew.

So you IGNORE what I said. Did you actually READ that provision? It specifically takes away the power of SCOTUS or any other court to enforce injunctions or court orders.
What part of that do you not understand?
It DECAPITATES the power of SCOTUS. Which means there will be no other curb on Trump, congress is his now. No matter what Trump does from then on there is ZERO oversight, NOTHING to stop him from say stopping elections, declaring martial law and more.
BECAUSE he WOULD be King Trump at that point.
And you don't understand that?

@sonhouse said
So you IGNORE what I said. Did you actually READ that provision? It specifically takes away the power of SCOTUS or any other court to enforce injunctions or court orders.
What part of that do you not understand?
It DECAPITATES the power of SCOTUS. Which means there will be no other curb on Trump, congress is his now. No matter what Trump does from then on there is ZERO ove ...[text shortened]... martial law and more.
BECAUSE he WOULD be King Trump at that point.
And you don't understand that?

IS this the prlovision, I pulled from your previous post. It is not a 'provision', yu need to be complete your posts. Send it for my persusal.?

bet you fully endorse the provision in the 'beautiful bill' that decimates ALL the courts including SCOTUS. If passed that will IMMEDIATELY end our democracy.

@AverageJoe1 said
IS this the prlovision, I pulled from your previous post. It is not a 'provision', yu need to be complete your posts. Send it for my persusal.?

bet you fully endorse the provision in the 'beautiful bill' that decimates ALL the courts including SCOTUS. If passed that will IMMEDIATELY end our democracy.

You read it? And you are not worried? This LITERALLY means SCOTUS would have ZERO power to enforce any order or injunction.
What part of that do you not understand or is your stance you WANT an end to democracy.

" NO court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued''

Are you so stupid you can't see the implication of that bit? Provision or not, it is in that bill and WILL become law if the Senate passes it.
What part of that do you not understand?
Do you have a problem actually reading and comprehending English?'

The courts need money to enforce anything, this cuts off all money supplies they HAVE to have to enforce anything. Did you think enforcement was free? An order is placed, say contempt and cops go out to arrest the perp, where do you think the money for that arrest comes from? You think Thomas is going to empty HIS pockets for that arrest?

@sonhouse said
You read it? And you are not worried? This LITERALLY means SCOTUS would have ZERO power to enforce any order or injunction.
What part of that do you not understand or is your stance you WANT an end to democracy.

" NO court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order ...[text shortened]... he money for that arrest comes from? You think Thomas is going to empty HIS pockets for that arrest?

I read what? Please settle.
Back up. You mentioned a provision. Would you send me a link or a post or something of this provision that is not something that you have created in your mind. What is this provision you are speaking of
And trust me, yes, the entire country would go to. Hell if there was no Supreme Court. We agree on that. Our question on the table is what provision says there will note be a Supreme Court.

Show me. You can do this..

@AverageJoe1 said
I read what? Please settle.
Back up. You mentioned a provision. Would you send me a link or a post or something of this provision that is not something that you have created in your mind. What is this provision you are speaking of
And trust me, yes, the entire country would go to. Hell if there was no Supreme Court. We agree on that. Our question on the table is what provision says there will note be a Supreme Court.

Show me. You can do this..

Jebesus. Are you so daft you cannot read? THIS CONTROLS the flow of money to SCTOTUS. NO MONEY NO ENFORCEMENT.
THIS SENTENCE IS IN THE BILL whether you call it a provision or not, it will CRIPPLE SCOTUS.
Does THAT begin to sink in?
I never said SCOTUS would go away. I SAID they would not be able to enforce ANY ruling or injunction which is just about the same thing as saying there is no SCOTUS or lower court.
A dude in some court case threatens the judge, he goes you now get 20 days in jail.
But without the funds to actuate that ruling the perp just goes SCREW YOU you have no power over me. And the contempt case and everything else goes away.

@sonhouse said
Jebesus. Are you so daft you cannot read? THIS CONTROLS the flow of money to SCTOTUS. NO MONEY NO ENFORCEMENT.
THIS SENTENCE IS IN THE BILL whether you call it a provision or not, it will CRIPPLE SCOTUS.
Does THAT begin to sink in?
I never said SCOTUS would go away. I SAID they would not be able to enforce ANY ruling or injunction which is just about the same thing as say ...[text shortened]... just goes SCREW YOU you have no power over me. And the contempt case and everything else goes away.

With all due respect, you are asking me to hang my hat on a statement that has come out of your mind,… Please consider that your hatred for Trump might tend to taint or compromise your statements here
So I need to see the verbatim provision that you’re speaking of or it may be better just not to talk about it anymore. Thank you very much. I do not see the reason to read what you want me to read if it is not an established provision. It is merely conjecture or opinion of someone who wrote the article….just one other person’s opinion. We need the facts, man, this is the forum.!!!!