Originally posted by slimjimMany of us dont "Hate the US" however we do feel that it is right for us to strongly criticize the US and its foreign policy. Especially thier middle east policy. We all know that the US governments reasons for going to war were not for the sake of the iraqi people even if it does benefit most of them in the end. There are much worse dictatorships and wars going on in Africa and the US is doing nothing. I know Bush lied and I knew it before the war even started. I also believe that many of the Americans who supported the war knew he was lying or exagerating but supported him anyway. I think many americans were just being patriotic or just needed someone to attack so that they would feel better about thier failures of the "war against terror". Many americans also probably hoped that it would be good for thier economy.
Have you been to Iraq? Probably not. I live a near major Army base and know quite a few of the troops who have returned from Iraq with stories of schools being built and the people for the most part are glad that the US got rid of Sadddam. The majority of the insurgent activity is in the so-called Sunni triangle, mostly filled with mal-contents who are pisse ...[text shortened]... t the US is still here and will be here long after somebody has flushed your ashes down the loo.
Did Bush lie ? Yes. Did he believe his own lies. Possibly. It is a well known fact that the most succesfull politicians are the ones who are capable of believing thier own lies.
I dont hate the US but I do hold them partly responsible for much of the instability in the Middle east. Most wars in the last centuary have been made worse and lasted longer due to contries who should not have been involved in the conflict supplying arms to both sides in order to make a quick buck.
Originally posted by scottishinnzThat's right freedom of speach is allowed in my country just like I have the freedom to tell someone from Scotland and Australia to bugger off. You don't live here so as far as I'm concerned you should worry about your own country. I get tired of reading posts from "chairborne commandos" like Howeeeeeee who spout off the same drivel about the war written by journalists who probably never even left the "Green Zone" of Bagdad. You or Howeeeeeeeeeee never did answer the question about who should know more about Iraq. As I stated before I talk to the soldiers returning from Iran and their stories are a lot different from the usual drivel spouted from the media. You Euro's hate Bush because he told all of you to Flock Off and he won't sign the Kyoto accord agreement. Just like the other post where you stated I don't what I was talking about the School of Americas in Panama. Better check my profile and you will see that I'm not some local yokel who hasn't ever left the US. I've spent a third of my life living overseas serving in the military including Panama where I used to go many times on TDY (temporary duty status) by virtue of my ability to speak Spanish. We didn't teach Noriega, Samoza, or even Chavez to be the brutal dictators that they became. Who do you think should know more about Iraq? The soldiers who have been there or Howeeeeeeeeee (or myself included) who hasn't been there?
"Most of the drivel you spout would probably get your teeth knocked out your mouth if you really had the balls to say it in a bar here in the states. "
Ahhhh, now you're entitled to your opinion, and to be honest, whilst sometimes I agree with Howeegee, sometimes I think he can be unecessarily rude. However, that said, the above statement - wtf? ...[text shortened]... t topic why is it unpatriotic to say 'I think President Bush is wrong'? Please illuminate me.
Originally posted by slimjimSo, wait a sec. Are you suggesting that because the money that Saddam used to buy weapons from the US came (even partially) from selling oil to other countries (including both the Australia and the US) that the responsibility for Saddam obtaining those weapons was with someone else?
Yeah we sold the arms when he went to war with Iran. He is still an asshole. How many barrels of oil did your country buy from him you sanctimonious SOB? How good is your memory Howeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
The fact that the US was supplying arms to both side obviously validates your point.
Originally posted by scottishinnzThe US used Saddam for the simple reason that he was fighting the Iranians. The US was pissed at Iran because of the taking of the embassy. The US didn't want to go to war with Iran because it wasn't too long ago after the Vietnam fiasco. Saddam was a tool to be used. Would I have done it no. I would have bombed Iran till they gave me back the hostages if I was president. Saddam was and always will be a murderer.
So, wait a sec. Are you suggesting that because the money that Saddam used to buy weapons from the US came (even partially) from selling oil to other countries (including both the Australia and the US) that the responsibility for Saddam obtaining those weapons was with someone else?
The fact that the US was supplying arms to both side obviously validates your point.
Originally posted by slimjimWhat I've never understood is why Iraq has got anything to do with America?
The US used Saddam for the simple reason that he was fighting the Iranians. The US was pissed at Iran because of the taking of the embassy. The US didn't want to go to war with Iran because it wasn't too long ago after the Vietnam fiasco. Saddam was a tool to be used. Would I have done it no. I would have bombed Iran till they gave me back the hostages if I was president. Saddam was and always will be a murderer.
Originally posted by slimjim"As I stated before I talk to the soldiers returning from Iran..."
That's right freedom of speach is allowed in my country just like I have the freedom to tell someone from Scotland and Australia to bugger off. You don't live here so as far as I'm concerned you should worry about your own country. I get tired of reading posts from "chairborne commandos" like Howeeeeeee who spout off the same drivel about the war writte ...[text shortened]... ? The soldiers who have been there or Howeeeeeeeeee (or myself included) who hasn't been there?
Don't you mean Iraq? Or has America invaded yet another country without telling the rest of the world about it?
You do know that Iran and Iraq are different countries right, Dim?
With your worldly knowledge, you should be Bush's foreign policy advisor!
Originally posted by howardgeeYes I know Iraq and Iran are different countries Howeeeeeeeeeeee and thank you for informing me on my typo. Now for the important question. Do you know more than the soldiers returning from Iraq what is going on over there? I suspect not.
"As I stated before I talk to the soldiers returning from Iran..."
Don't you mean Iraq? Or has America invaded yet another country without telling the rest of the world about it?
You do know that Iran and Iraq are different countries right, Dim?
With your worldly knowledge, you should be Bush's foreign policy advisor!
Originally posted by slimjimWell, actually, quite possibly. I mean, not, perhaps about the situation on the ground in the place where they were, but perhpas in terms of 'the big picture'. Grunts are rarely kept in the loop about the big picture, and are generally only told of their specific job to do, and fed with the propoganda that the military wants them to hear to keep their spirits up.
Yes I know Iraq and Iran are different countries Howeeeeeeeeeeee and thank you for informing me on my typo. Now for the important question. Do you know more than the soldiers returning from Iraq what is going on over there? I suspect not.
I, on the other hand, refer to a number of different news sources from a variety of countries. True, I might not have the intimiate knowledge of the situation on the ground, but at least I get my information from a variety of sources and weigh it up. Probably not something Private Piles from the US infantry does.
Originally posted by slimjimThank you for your fine tutelage, but I just have one question. What was the answer to the question in the quoted text?
That's right freedom of speach is allowed in my country just like I have the freedom to tell someone from Scotland and Australia to bugger off. You don't live here so as far as I'm concerned you should worry about your own country. I get tired of reading posts from "chairborne commandos" like Howeeeeeee who spout off the same drivel about the war writte ...[text shortened]... ? The soldiers who have been there or Howeeeeeeeeee (or myself included) who hasn't been there?
Originally posted by scottishinnzThank you, SS. We certainly are fortunate to have your intellect available to evaluate this complicated information and disseminate the truth to us. I sincerely hope that "Private Piles" of the U.S. infantry gets to thank you in person in the not too distant future.
Well, actually, quite possibly. I mean, not, perhaps about the situation on the ground in the place where they were, but perhpas in terms of 'the big picture'. Grunts are rarely kept in the loop about the big picture, and are generally only told of their specific job to do, and fed with the propoganda that the military wants them to hear to keep the ...[text shortened]... ety of sources and weigh it up. Probably not something Private Piles from the US infantry does.
Originally posted by DelmerThank you for your facetious response. It's went a long way towards proving to us the truth that i stated before about you (I think it was you, but it's also true for many of your cronies), that you always enter the discussion knowing in your heart that you're right and denying all others their own opinion. One the subject of intellect, how many PhD's do you have?
Thank you, SS. We certainly are fortunate to have your intellect available to evaluate this complicated information and disseminate the truth to us. I sincerely hope that "Private Piles" of the U.S. infantry gets to thank you in person in the not too distant future.
Originally posted by scottishinnzAnd you enter each discussion as an arrogant elitist. I have no PhDs, Scotty, but if you type Delmer O. Gasche into Amazon.com author search you can purchase two of my books. I'd be happy to buy two of your books if you tell me where to find them.
Thank you for your facetious response. It's went a long way towards proving to us the truth that i stated before about you (I think it was you, but it's also true for many of your cronies), that you always enter the discussion knowing in your heart that you're right and denying all others their own opinion. One the subject of intellect, how many PhD's do you have?
