@Sprogladog saidthey regularly called obama and kamala harris socialists
Do right wing americans view the British Conservative party as a socialist party?
so yeah they probably do.
Bernie Sanders would be at most a centrist candidate anywhere in Europe or Canada
@AverageJoe1 saidI think you owe your students an apology.
Please make this a good two-sided discussion. I used to teach this stuff, you can have fun shooting the professor down!!!
First, you are assuming that socialism automatically put citizens ahead of corporations. If the government owns or controls, major corporations, you have not eliminated corporate power… You've transferred much of that power to the government. So th ...[text shortened]... n. C'mon......
Edit: I reiterate...'You've transferred much of that power to the government'.
@Metal-Brain saidShut up, man, you're not helping this concept.
@AverageJoe1
5. [8/31] “Guarantee universal healthcare at no cost, including complete access to reproductive and gender-affirming care.”
I am a socialist and I am for universal healthcare, but not for non health care which is what trans surgery is. You are shamelessly misleading people into thinking all socialists support optional surgery and pushing the myth that uni ...[text shortened]... re just paying it later instead of sooner. All so the insurance companies can profit from your loss.
"Look, MB's for it. It MUST be a scam."
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@AverageJoe1 saidCommunism (which is what you're calling socialism) has never worked for the exact same reason why Democracy is failing under Trump. Grift and greed. Oh yeah, and in America's case, zombie citizens.
Somebody old me that socialism has never worked. My grannh wrote this to me, she is touring Cuba with her bridge club at the moment. She said you know,, Joe, if the usa were socialist, I would not have the resources to have seen the world ,,,,,what a downer. And, oh, Joe, would uou mail my monthly premium to my supplemeral insurance company, United Health Care? Than ...[text shortened]... ] (https://www.thecornellreview.org/yes-real-socialism-has-been-tried-and-it-has-failed-every-time/)
This is what happens when incapable rulers try any form of government. Massive failure. No one should be surprised, we're seeing the same thing that brought down Communism bringing down Democracy.
@Suzianne saidYour first sentence suggests that democracy HAS worked for 250 years until Trump. He will kill democracy, we will note that in our journals. BUT, you are saying one man has brought it down, it having worked fine till then??? What are you saying? What are you ever saying???
Communism (which is what you're calling socialism) has never worked for the exact same reason why Democracy is failing under Trump. Grift and greed. Oh yeah, and in America's case, zombie citizens.
This is what happens when incapable rulers try any form of government. Massive failure. No one should be surprised, we're seeing the same thing that brought down Communism bringing down Democracy.
@Metal-Brain saidYou do not establish that socialism works. The relevant question is whether Cuba’s healthcare system performs well because of socialism, despite socialism, or simply because Cuba chooses to devote scarce resources to healthcare. Simple.
Capitalists have never given socialism a chance to work well. The USA has been trying to strangle Cuba's economy for decades. You cannot wage economic warfare on a country and honestly blame them for failing. Did your granny tell you about the oil blockade Trump has imposed on their country?
https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/cubas-health-care-buckles-under-fue ...[text shortened]... eally hard to ruin Cuba's healthcare system with his fuel blockade. Who do you blame? Trump or Cuba?
Hey, the USA doesnt have universal government-run healthcare, because we have chosen a different system—not because America is too poor to provide healthcare. In fact, Americans spend enormous amounts on healthcare. Easy man.
Let’s compare the actual outcomes: access, quality, medicines, technology, waiting times, life expectancy, and what each system costs. Oh, and excellent doctors.
If you say Cuba’s healthcare problems are entirely the result of the American embargo, how do you account for the problems Cuba had with shortages, infrastructure and medicall supplies before the current fuel restrictions. Give me a Give me a break. and why should we assume those problems would disappear if the embargo disappeared?????? Geez
@Metal-Brain said'Capitalists have never given socialism a chance to work well.'
Capitalists have never given socialism a chance to work well. The USA has been trying to strangle Cuba's economy for decades. You cannot wage economic warfare on a country and honestly blame them for failing. Did your granny tell you about the oil blockade Trump has imposed on their country?
https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/cubas-health-care-buckles-under-fue ...[text shortened]... eally hard to ruin Cuba's healthcare system with his fuel blockade. Who do you blame? Trump or Cuba?
Uhhh, given? We spose to give them something, a chance, you call it? What have we got to do with this run-down country.
Posts of liberals are derived from emotion, practical conservatives have no wa to respond.
What an ill-informed statement for you to make. HOW would I respond? For fun, write what I would write in response.
@Metal-Brain saidYOur respoonse here to 5.{8/31} is pitiful. It is a bad idea, which you suggest, why don't you denounce it flat out. Then we can continue to denounce each and every one of these slime ideas.
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5. [8/31] “Guarantee universal healthcare at no cost, including complete access to reproductive and gender-affirming care.”
I am a socialist and I am for universal healthcare, but not for non health care which is what trans surgery is. You are shamelessly misleading people into thinking all socialists support optional surgery and pushing the myth that uni ...[text shortened]... re just paying it later instead of sooner. All so the insurance companies can profit from your loss.
Tell, has the USA needed all of these ideas for 250 years???
Hey, where is Marauder????? Could he be that one HOLD-OUT juror in the Clancy case? It figures, does it not?
@AverageJoe1 saidCuba's healthcare was fine until the fuel blockade was imposed on them.
You do not establish that socialism works. The relevant question is whether Cuba’s healthcare system performs well because of socialism, despite socialism, or simply because Cuba chooses to devote scarce resources to healthcare. Simple.
Hey, the USA doesnt have universal government-run healthcare, because we have chosen a different system—not because America is too poor ...[text shortened]... eak. and why should we assume those problems would disappear if the embargo disappeared?????? Geez
Cuba already proved they could make it work. The USA just wants their colony back. The colony they stole from Spain.
"Americans spend enormous amounts on healthcare"
That is the problem. That is exactly why universal healthcare would cost less than now. It is the health insurance companies that are making it more expensive than it has to be. They are screwing us all over.
Why do you think Mangione was able to kill a health insurance CEO and get a good plea deal? Because the health insurance industry did not want his lawyer to expose health insurance corruption. Mangione might even get off with time served. Let that bounce around your skull for a bit. He might get away with murder. Because the health insurance industry did not want to be on trial in the murder case.
@AverageJoe1 saidYOU DAMN RIGHT I AM HATEFULL becaise TRUMP is KILLING the US, SCREWING UP THE WHOLE PLANET and the sooner we get rid of this cretin the faster we can get back on track as the worlds best country. Guess what. RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE TOILET in terms of the USA being held in high regard, which it used to have that high regard, now we are LITERALLY the laughing stock of the WORLD.
Going back to a normal non-raving non-hateful forum. You need ro find another forum,
I can only assume an IDIOT like you would think nothing wrong with Trump saying he wants to quit NATO and lets HEGSETH run shotgun on our military, PURGING the ones who know military tactics and strategy, FIRE THOSE FKERS Hegseth says, I know just as much about wartime as those HACK 4 star generals.
That is EXACTLY what is going on and YOU will NEVER see it because you have been BLINDED by Trump and I don't think you could think your way out of a wet paper bag any more., Sure you can count your money, hire and fire your hundreds of employees but that does not make you a thinker, that makes you maybe rich perhaps but that is not the definition of a thinker. Someone who sees what is going on and wonders WHY? and then pursues actually THINKING about some issue and of COURSE you would NEVER believe ANYTHING stated by the NEW YORK TIMES because your GOD Trump puts them down so NATURALLY you would think NYT is full of BULLCRAP ALWAYS so I NEVER need to read a single page because I am after all FKING BLIND
@AverageJoe1 saidUhhh....our government ran it down. Duh!
'Capitalists have never given socialism a chance to work well.'
Uhhh, given? We spose to give them something, a chance, you call it? What have we got to do with this run-down country.
Posts of liberals are derived from emotion, practical conservatives have no wa to respond.
What an ill-informed statement for you to make. HOW would I respond? For fun, write what I would write in response.
Is Iran a failure because of the blockade? Are you in denial of the economic warfare that is being waged against these so called self failed states? It is clearly denial. It is not like you are really that stupid.
Can you be honest with me and yourself? You cannot beat someone up, steal from them and convince normal people they failed on their own. Can you bring yourself to admit that?