@no1marauder saidsounds like wishful thinking...congress can clarify the amendment.
Here's my prediction:
There's a decent chance the SCOTUS doesn't even hear the case if and when the lower courts toss Trump's EO out. If they do, the most votes the overriding of this venerable precedent will muster is 3 and probably not even that; while Alioto seems willing to do anything Trump desires, both Thomas and Gorsuch pay some lip service to the wording of the Constitution and in this case that wording is unambiguous.
The amendment was created because of the end of slavery, it needs to be clarified
@Mott-The-Hoople saidNo, there is no provision in the Constitution allowing Congress to "clarify" i.e. change the meaning of the 14th Amendment.
sounds like wishful thinking...congress can clarify the amendment.
The amendment was created because of the end of slavery, it needs to be clarified
The SCOTUS "clarified" it regarding this issue 126 years ago.
@no1marauder saidpay attention, you are about to learn how our system works…
No, there is no provision in the Constitution allowing Congress to "clarify" i.e. change the meaning of the 14th Amendment.
The SCOTUS "clarified" it regarding this issue 126 years ago.
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2025/01/21/act-to-support-trump-end-birthright-citizenship-for-illegal-aliens-filed-by-texas-congressman/
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAn unconstitutional law is no different from an unconstitutional EO.
pay attention, you are about to learn how our system works…
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2025/01/21/act-to-support-trump-end-birthright-citizenship-for-illegal-aliens-filed-by-texas-congressman/
The chances of this law passing are nil anyway; do you remember your beloved filibuster?
@no1marauder saiddo you remember your beloved abortion? 😉
An unconstitutional law is no different from an unconstitutional EO.
The chances of this law passing are nil anyway; do you remember your beloved filibuster?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidYou do realize that there are still abortions in the US, don't you?
do you remember your beloved abortion? 😉
I've made my prediction; if I thought you were trustworthy (I don't) I'd place a wager on this case's results in the Federal courts including, if it happens, the SCOTUS.
Apparently the EO doesn't apply to anyone at this time:
"Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.
(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/[WORD TOO LONG].
So it's not even retroactive and only applies to persons born after February 19, 2025.
It's still unconstitutional but it doesn't even do what drones like Mott want i.e. revoke citizenship for millions of Americans.
@no1marauder saidSmoke and mirrors as usual.
Apparently the EO doesn't apply to anyone at this time:
"Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, ...[text shortened]... but it doesn't even do what drones like Mott want i.e. revoke citizenship for millions of Americans.
Of course all his supporters will say he tried real hard, if it wasn't for those evil libs getting in the way of his "agenda", instead of admitting that trump is bad at this.
@no1marauder said“if I thought you were trustworthy (I don't)”
You do realize that there are still abortions in the US, don't you?
I've made my prediction; if I thought you were trustworthy (I don't) I'd place a wager on this case's results in the Federal courts including, if it happens, the SCOTUS.
thats ok, I dont think you could be trusted alone with a young child!
@Mott-The-Hoople saidWhat is wrong with you and why do you hate America?
ITS about damned time
"Roughly 3.6 million children are born in the United States each year. The birth rate is declining partly because immigraiton flatlines salaries and drives up housing prices, making it doubly difficult for couples to have all the children they would like to."
https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2025/01/20/donald-trump-to-end-birthright-citizenship-executive-order/
@wildgrass saidI would be proud to get in the way of his agenda, any time, any place.
Smoke and mirrors as usual.
Of course all his supporters will say he tried real hard, if it wasn't for those evil libs getting in the way of his "agenda", instead of admitting that trump is bad at this.
The man is the single biggest clear and present danger to America at this time.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidWhy do you hate America and Americans?
do you remember your beloved abortion? 😉
@Mott-The-Hoople saidBreitbart? Yeah, right.
pay attention, you are about to learn how our system works…
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2025/01/21/act-to-support-trump-end-birthright-citizenship-for-illegal-aliens-filed-by-texas-congressman/
And I see that Tuberville and Collins are down for this racist idiot Trump.
You fools are not liking the Constitution anymore, are you?
Desperate as always to stay on top of your dung heap.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidRoe v Wade had 50 years of precedent behind it that Trump's corrupt Supreme Court flat-out ignored.
dead wrong…scotus can rule on anything at any time
was abortion final? 😂
I hope you don't try to argue precedents for any other far-right favorite laws.