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@mott-the-hoople saidThere were 92,000 deaths from all drug overdoses in the US in 2020.
why do you think they want do anything about it?
The did before, had the border crossings way down.
There were more than 4X that number of COVID deaths in the US that year.
And overdose deaths rose sufficiently in 2020 even as border crossings dropped because of the pandemic, so there isn't any evidence the two are linked.
@mott-the-hoople saidWithout Trump around to bully them into it I don't trust them to do jack diddly. Gotta keep that corporate moolah rolling in, and why take away a great campaign issue for 2024?
why do you think they want do anything about it?
The did before, had the border crossings way down.
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@sh76 saidYes, Boris does indeed care about no-one but himself.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60047438
Health Secretary Sajid Javid said...
"we must learn to live with Covid in the same way we live with flu".
Of course, the UK never masked in schools under age 12.
Some sanity, at last.
But we knew that already.
@shallow-blue saidYou're correct, he didn't care about anyone when he introduced mandates and lock downs and he doesn't care about anyone when they're abandoned.
Yes, Boris does indeed care about no-one but himself.
But we knew that already.
@sleepyguy saidOh forget that. Those cost money.
@no1marauder
Pining for those internment camps no1? If only, if only...
Your earlier idea of putting the unvaxxed in ovens would be sound but for the resultant greenhouse gas emissions.
What else you got?
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England has always been quite lax with covid measures, they never closed their borders, sure they had the red list and hotel quarantine but from personal experience it was a bit of a joke.
A zero covid policy can’t work, only way Is to treat it like the flu and get on with life. Two years have been wasted for many.
@trev33 saidGood plan although it will be difficult for the approximately 2500 people who the UK who have died from COVID in the last 10 days to "get on with life".
England has always been quite lax with covid measures, they never closed their borders, sure they had the red list and hotel quarantine but from personal experience it was a bit of a joke.
A zero covid policy can’t work, only way Is to treat it like the flu and get on with life. Two years have been wasted for many.
When was the last time the flu killed that many in the UK in 10 days?
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@no1marauder saidWell you see in the UK If someone tests positive and within 28 days gets hit by a car and dies, or has a heart attack and dies or whatever other reason it’s a covid death so I’d take those figures with a grain of salt.
Good plan although it will be difficult for the approximately 2500 people who the UK who have died from COVID in the last 10 days to "get on with life".
When was the last time the flu killed that many in the UK in 10 days?
But of course I suppose you’re well off enough that the restrictions hasn’t impacted you financially enough for them to matter unlike the millions who are now suffering and struggling more than ever.
@trev33 saidYeah because that will skew the figures out all recognition, carmageddon strikes again. The heart attack could well be covid related, not being able to get any oxygen can put a strain on the heart apparently.
Well you see in the UK If someone tests positive and within 28 days gets hit by a car and dies, or has a heart attack and dies or whatever other reason it’s a covid death so I’d take those figures with a grain of salt.
But of course I suppose you’re well off enough that the restrictions hasn’t impacted you financially enough for them to matter unlike the millions who are now suffering and struggling more than ever.
The important figures are the number of people requiring a hospital bed to recover from covid, those are ones pushing cancer and renal patients etc back down the waiting list.
Fortunately Omicron seems a lot less likely to cause severe illness compared to the Alpha or Delta strains.
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@no1marauder saidhttps://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfrominfluenzaandpneumonia20152020
When was the last time the flu killed that many in the UK in 10 days?
Knock yourself out.
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@kevcvs57 saidEvery winter the NHS is overrun, the only thing that has changed is that staff are taking off sick with covid, making it even more manic than a normal year. Two years of covid, two summer of calm and two manic winters, why?
Yeah because that will skew the figures out all recognition, carmageddon strikes again. The heart attack could well be covid related, not being able to get any oxygen can put a strain on the heart apparently.
The important figures are the number of people requiring a hospital bed to recover from covid, those are ones pushing cancer and renal patients etc back down the waiti ...[text shortened]... tely Omicron seems a lot less likely to cause severe illness compared to the Alpha or Delta strains.
@trev33 saidFrom 2015-19 deaths due to influenza averaged about 800 a year.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfrominfluenzaandpneumonia20152020
Knock yourself out.
Mortality statistics - underlying cause, sex and age
England and Wales
So COVID isn't like the flu, is it?
@trev33 saidThe change in data reporting which happened last Summer to primarily focus on the number who died 28 days after a positive test significantly undercounts those who die from COVID as many deaths occur after that period and others have no positive test.
Well you see in the UK If someone tests positive and within 28 days gets hit by a car and dies, or has a heart attack and dies or whatever other reason it’s a covid death so I’d take those figures with a grain of salt.
But of course I suppose you’re well off enough that the restrictions hasn’t impacted you financially enough for them to matter unlike the millions who are now suffering and struggling more than ever.
The UK separately reports "Total number of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes since the start of the pandemic" that number is 175,256 about 15% higher than the "Deaths within 28 days of positive test" number which is 153,202. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom
As far as the "dying with COVID" claim:
"Around 90 percent of these were registered with COVID as the primary, underlying cause of death." https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-deaths-statistics-data-cases-accuracy/
@no1marauder saidthe difference being the flu has been around awhile, many medical treatments for it. Covid is relatively new with few treatments .
From 2015-19 deaths due to influenza averaged about 800 a year.
Mortality statistics - underlying cause, sex and age
England and Wales
So COVID isn't like the flu, is it?
@trev33 saidHave got a link that doesn’t run off the page and down the street like a gingerbread man.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfrominfluenzaandpneumonia20152020
Knock yourself out.
Perhaps you could actually type your rebuttal to my points with a link for verification, call me old fashioned.