Evangelical Pastor thinks women should not vote

@Cliff-Mashburn said
Because you are defending a sick evil religion that is still stuck in the 7th century.
Being a woman i don't understand how you can be so stupid. go live in Iran and get back to us on how egalitarian they are towards women,
How can you be so stupid?
Oh...right...you hate the West and the Judeo-Christian beliefs that made it what it is. while Islam has kept the world it dominates in medieval times.

Do you go to Church Mr "Judeo-Christian"?

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Not necessarily.

@Zahlanzi said
that's the point dumbass, you should condemn what the pastor said, not go "well X said it too"

Bingo. Why are we diverging into Islam? It is not about Islam, or the 7th c. It's about American Evangelicals. Now. Politically militant American Evangelicals, with mid-term elections just over the horizon. And some of them are using the bully pulpit to say publicly that women should not vote. Whoa, Nelly! Did they actually think this through? Halving their own influence over who controls the lower house of Congress in the next session? The level of ideological stupidity on the far-right is just staggering.

@Paul-Martin said
If ANY religion were TRUE wouldn't it necessaily be STUCK in its inception?
Judaiism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism ...................

No; the mainstream (Catholic and Orthodox) position is that the will of God is continuously revealed to man through Ecumenical Councils, because God will not let bishops be deceived. Believe it or leave it, that is the official doctrine and has been since an Ecumenical Council determined that God will not let bishops be deceived.

@Paul-Martin said
If any relgion WERE TRUE.

If the religion is changing its rules doesn't that mean it was once wrong?
Logically speaking - not theologically speaking.

Religion has nothing to do with logic. It expresses moral values and virtues in allegorical forms.

Let us leave aside the question of truth for the moment, and consider what mankind is ready to hear. The punishment for marital infidelity among Jews in ancient Judea was stoning (to death), a murderously unpleasant way to die. In the NT, an angry mob brings an alleged adulteress before Jesus, fully prepared to stone her to death. Jesus famously says, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. No one dares cast a stone. Christians will almost universally draw only the most superficial conclusion from this parable, that everyone is a sinner. Few notice that Jesus, who was presumably without sin, also cast no stone against her; he simply said to her, go home and stop sinning. Very few modern Christians will draw the conclusion that it is not Christians' business to punish sinners or forbid the sins of others. So, what is the point of this NT parable about an adulteress? That mankind was ready to hear something different at the time Jesus appeared, a message of mercy and forgiveness, instead of vengeance.

It's not about truth. It's about an evolving moral sensibility.

And now ask, where is the de-evolving moral sensibility of the American Bible Belt today? They want to prohibit and criminalize sin, very much on the OT model. They haven't understood the message: they are still stuck in an OT mentality.

@moonbus said
Religion has nothing to do with logic. It expresses moral values and virtues in allegorical forms.

Let us leave aside the question of truth for the moment, and consider what mankind is ready to hear. The punishment for marital infidelity among Jews in ancient Judea was stoning (to death), a murderously unpleasant way to die. In the NT, an angry mob brings an allege ...[text shortened]... much on the OT model. They haven't understood the message: they are still stuck in an OT mentality.

let me guess...gonna be baptizing queers before long

@moonbus said
Religion has nothing to do with logic. It expresses moral values and virtues in allegorical forms.

Let us leave aside the question of truth for the moment, and consider what mankind is ready to hear. The punishment for marital infidelity among Jews in ancient Judea was stoning (to death), a murderously unpleasant way to die. In the NT, an angry mob brings an allege ...[text shortened]... much on the OT model. They haven't understood the message: they are still stuck in an OT mentality.

Pheew!

Bless me Father!

@Mott-The-Hoople said
let me guess...gonna be baptizing queers before long

They've been ordaining queers and pedophiles for centuries, so, no change of policy there.

@moonbus said
They've been ordaining queers and pedophiles for centuries, so, no change of policy there.

Please. Not sure why you chose to do so, but lumping together "queers and pedophiles" as if they were one and the same, is painting these two groups with the same very fat brush. Nothing is further from the truth.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
let me guess...gonna be baptizing queers before long

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Does your moral high horse insist that you get between a person and their God?

@Suzianne said
Please. Not sure why you chose to do so, but lumping together "queers and pedophiles" as if they were one and the same, is painting these two groups with the same very fat brush. Nothing is further from the truth.

Of course, I know that. No priest knows that or needs to know that when he baptizes an infant though, and that's the point here.

@moonbus said
Of course, I know that. No priest knows that or needs to know that when he baptizes an infant though, and that's the point here.

Correct. Baptism is between a person and their God, despite these "Christians in Name Only" wanting to shove their questionable "morality" between them.

@Suzianne said
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Does your moral high horse insist that you get between a person and their God?

It never ceases to amaze me how many people who think of themselves as Christians have not understood the most basic principles of what Jesus taught: love everyone, especially the outcasts (then: whores and lepers; today: whores and queers), regardless how they behave, including your tormentors and detractors; it is not your place to judge anyone, much less punish anyone for their sins; judgment and punishment are God's business alone. Mott's business is to remove the log from his own eye, not complain about the sliver in someone else's.

End of sermon.

Incidentally, there was no word in ancient Greek for "homosexual". There was no such person. This is a very recent idea, that homosexual is something one is. In olden times, it was something one did.