@AverageJoe1 saidIt related to a particular passage where Mohamed and his followers at the time were under attack and where he told them Allah had given consent for them to fight back (kill the unbelievers). - It wasn't a declaration that Muslims thereafter should go around killing unbelievers.
Im not familiar with the passage about killing unbelievers. What is it and how is it being interpeted to not mean to kill the same people now that they were talking about many years ago.
Rajj is outraged when passages are cherry picked out of the Bible and used out of context, but is happy to do so with the Koran.
To be clear though, both the Koran and Bible contain some pretty revolting stuff. - In the OT for example, God sends bears to rip teenagers to pieces due to them mocking the bald head of one of his prophets. - Did you know that?
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidGeeze, for once we are in agreement about something, doesn't happen often. 😉
Mosques, churches,....all the same. (Although you'd be lamenting of course if it was the latter).
I also agreed with your other posts and even gave you a few green thumbs, not often we are on same page on anything!!~
Although we cannot believe everything that is in the Bible as it has been changed and interpreted to many times. Men do that, word things differently that it was actually meant to be, we have to keep in mind things were much different back then.
-VR
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI think you dont understand the difference. In the context of Islam, what people call the extremist is actually the one following the teachings of the Quran. The moderate is the one twisting and changing the teachings because he probably has a conscience and is ashamed of Islam.
Do you understand the difference between extremists and moderates?
Apparently not. This might be the reason you continue to make daft sweeping generalizations.
Any Muslim with a conscience will be ashamed of Islam. I know some of them, but like you and others here they are full of excuses, neither can they criticize the extremist. In Islam critics of the Quran or of Muhammed can be put to death.
@kmax87 saidThere are Islamic extremists operating in about 10 areas of the world. Here is just one of them... ISIS and just one of the many atrocities committed.
No. Just people who still have a heart.
Yazidi girls have been brutally targeted by ISIS as part of a campaign of sexual violence and enslavement. Starting in 2014, when ISIS overran the Sinjar region in northern Iraq, thousands of Yazidi women and girls were abducted. These girls and women were subjected to systematic rape, sexual slavery, forced marriages to ISIS fighters, and other forms of sexual violence.
Many of the abducted girls were sold as sex slaves in ISIS-controlled territories. The abuse was not just physical but also psychological, with victims subjected to brutal treatment, indoctrination, and forced conversions. The United Nations and human rights organizations have recognized these acts as part of the ISIS-perpetrated genocide against the Yazidi people. Survivors have spoken of horrendous conditions, with many girls and women tortured and forced to bear children of their captors.
These crimes have been prosecuted as war crimes and crimes against humanity by international and national courts. The world continues to support efforts to rescue survivors, bring perpetrators to justice, and provide psychological and physical rehabilitation for the victims of this sexual violence.​
People like you have a heart? Have you ever condemned these atrocities?
@Very-Rusty saidI guess you agree also with atrocities committed by Islam ...
Geeze, for once we are in agreement about something, doesn't happen often. 😉
I also agreed with your other posts and even gave you a few green thumbs, not often we are on same page on anything!!~
Although we cannot believe everything that is in the Bible as it has been changed and interpreted to many times. Men do that, word things differently that it was actually meant to be, we have to keep in mind things were much different back then.
-VR
ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) has committed extensive and severe atrocities considered crimes against humanity, war crimes, and genocide. Among their worst atrocities is the genocide of the Yazidi community, especially in Iraq's Sinjar region and parts of Syria. ISIS militants have killed thousands of Yazidis, subjected women and girls to sexual slavery, forced conversions, torture, and inhuman treatment. They have forcibly transferred Yazidis, imposed conditions to cause slow death, separated families, and taken Yazidi children to indoctrinate them away from their community and culture, aiming to erase the Yazidi identity.
ISIS's violence extended to widespread mass killings, public executions including beheadings, crucifixions, systemic rape and sexual violence against women and girls (notably targeting religious and ethnic minorities such as Yazidis, Christians, Shia Muslims), kidnappings, forced marriages, enslavement, recruitment of child soldiers, use of human shields, and destruction of civilian infrastructure and cultural heritage sites. They also employed suicide bombings, improvised explosive devices, and chemical weapons.
The United Nations, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and other organizations confirm that ISIS's actions amount to genocide against Yazidis and crimes against humanity against various religious and ethnic groups. Courts in some countries have convicted ISIS members for war crimes and crimes against humanity for participation in these atrocities.
ISIS's reign of terror greatly destabilized the region, causing massive displacement of populations and immense human suffering through violence, fear, and destruction.​
This overview complements the understanding of Boko Haram's atrocities, both being extremist groups responsible for widespread violence, mass killings, abductions, and human rights abuses in their respective regions.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidDo the 2,000,000,000 moderates ever tell this to the extremists? No they cannot because it is the extremists who have the right interpretation of the Quran.
It related to a particular passage where Mohamed and his followers at the time were under attack and where he told them Allah had given consent for them to fight back (kill the unbelievers). - It wasn't a declaration that Muslims thereafter should go around killing unbelievers.
Rajj is outraged when passages are cherry picked out of the Bible and used out of conte ...[text shortened]... p teenagers to pieces due to them mocking the bald head of one of his prophets. - Did you know that?
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@Rajk999 saidI'm beginning to suspect you don't know very much about Islam (outside of whatever YouTube videos you've been watching).
I think you dont understand the difference. In the context of Islam, what people call the extremist is actually the one following the teachings of the Quran. The moderate is the one twisting and changing the teachings because he probably has a conscience and is ashamed of Islam.
Any Muslim with a conscience will be ashamed of Islam. I know some of them, but like you and ...[text shortened]... an they criticize the extremist. In Islam critics of the Quran or of Muhammed can be put to death.
As a Christian you are of course instructed to love God, but also to love other as you love yourself. - Like it or not, this is not too dissimilar to the core instructions of Islam, namely a love and devotion of the individual to God (Allah) and also a love and compassion for others: (Islamic teachings emphasize love, mercy, and kindness to all people, including non-Muslims.)
"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8)
@Rajk999 saidDeary me, you seem to be awfully anti-moslim.
China is destroying mosques and turning it into public toilet and convenience stores. 70 % of the mosques in northwest territory of China has been destroyed. A mosque in China called Azna mosque was torn down and turned into a convenience stores, where they sells cigarettes and alcohol. This was done by the Chinese Communist Party as a deliberate insult as consumption of a ...[text shortened]... matic effort to curb the practice of Islam and assert state control.
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Isn’t that sort of like antisemitism?
Yes. Yes it is.
@shavixmir saidNah, reporting truths is not anti…
Deary me, you seem to be awfully anti-moslim.
Isn’t that sort of like antisemitism?
Yes. Yes it is.
Why are you libs so confused?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidI think you are the one that does not know about Islam. Here is the same 'Holy' Book ...
I'm beginning to suspect you don't know very much about Islam (outside of whatever YouTube videos you've been watching).
As a Christian you are of course instructed to love God, but also to love other as you love yourself. - Like it or not, this is not too dissimilar to the core instructions of Islam, namely a love and devotion of the individual to God (Allah) and ...[text shortened]... s toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8)
(A) Quran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
(B) Quran 3:28 “Muslims must not take infidels as friends”
(C) Quran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable”
(D) Quran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam”
(E) Quran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than Quran”
(F) Quran 8:60 “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels”
(G) Quran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them”
(H) Quran 9:5 “Whenever opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them”
(I) Quran 9:123 “Make war on infidels living in your neighborhood”
(J) Quran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them.
@Rajk999 saidAnd you choose to ignore this:
I think you are the one that does not know about Islam. Here is the same 'Holy' Book ...
(A) Quran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
(B) Quran 3:28 “Muslims must not take infidels as friends”
(C) Quran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable”
(D) Quran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam”
(E) Quran 8:12 “Terrori ...[text shortened]... ighborhood”
(J) Quran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them.
"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8)
Both the Quran and Bible contain pretty nasty stuff (including the NT) alongside all the love and cuddles.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSigh.
Nah, reporting truths is not anti…
Why are you libs so confused?
I am not a lib.
And the truth is that Israel has murdered over 20.000 children; which don’t seem to bother you.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidWhat does that reference really mean. Are you equating that to Jesus 'love your neighbor' commandment?
And you choose to ignore this:
"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8)
Both the Quran and Bible contain pretty nasty stuff (including the NT) alongside all the love and cuddles.
You really cannot read. Have another read.
@shavixmir saidPro-Islam = pro murder, rape and pedophilia.
Deary me, you seem to be awfully anti-moslim.
Isn’t that sort of like antisemitism?
Yes. Yes it is.
You are a sick man.