Originally posted by PawnokeyholeThe meek inherited France via the guillotine. 😵
And I guess loving your enemies, and praying for those who hurt you, is achieved by equipping yourself with a deadly means of self-defense and not hesitating to deploy it, is it?
And the meek who inherit the earth do so by staring down their attackers through the cross-hairs of their shotgun, eh?
And giving yourself over voluntarily to belligerent ...[text shortened]... s self-defense, does it?
You really need to stop projecting your own preferences on to Jesus.
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeI will pray for those who hurt me, however, if I have the means to stop them from hurting me or my family, or anyone else for that matter, I will do it. I will also pray I do not kill them but rahter only stop them from doing harm. If they end up in the hospital I will pray for a full recovery for them. I will also pray they learned their lesson.
And I guess loving your enemies, and praying for those who hurt you, is achieved by equipping yourself with a deadly means of self-defense and not hesitating to deploy it, is it?
And the meek who inherit the earth do so by staring down their attackers through the cross-hairs of their shotgun, eh?
And giving yourself over voluntarily to belligerent ...[text shortened]... s self-defense, does it?
You really need to stop projecting your own preferences on to Jesus.
Being meek does not mean you can not protect your self.
Jesus let them crucify him because he had to be a sacrafice for his people in order to save them.
Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole"It's clear from many of pronouncements that he did not advocate meeting force with force."
Overturning trays in the temple was not an example of self-defence, but of protest.
The sword Jesus spoke of was metaphorical, not real.
Laying down your life for another does not imply killing an assailant.
I concede that Jesus may not have been completely opposed to self-defense. But that doesn't mean the general thrust of his message is cons ...[text shortened]... ogy. It's clear from many of pronouncements that he did not advocate meeting force with force.
In the OT the Lord met force with force when he had his people to go to war. The Lord of the OT is the same Lord from the NT. 😉
Originally posted by dryhumpyes it does matter. people need cars to get from A to B. people don't need guns. people keep mentioning self defense. but unless the armed thug comes at you waving a flag and blowing a whistle, you are at a disadvantage. who do you think would win in a gun fight? the armed burglar who is on alert mode or the average joe half at sleep coming down with a shotgun to investigate a noise? instead of giving guns to delusional rambo wannabes, invest more in police, in patrols. in common sense. i don't own a gun and i am doing just fine.
It doesn't matter much what the purpose is, what do you think kills more people in the US every year?
Originally posted by ZahlanziI want to know if mentally unstable people should have the right to "protect" themselves too.
yes it does matter. people need cars to get from A to B. people don't need guns. people keep mentioning self defense. but unless the armed thug comes at you waving a flag and blowing a whistle, you are at a disadvantage. who do you think would win in a gun fight? the armed burglar who is on alert mode or the average joe half at sleep coming down with a shot ...[text shortened]... nvest more in police, in patrols. in common sense. i don't own a gun and i am doing just fine.
Originally posted by Wheelyif people could walk into walmarts and buy bullets along with their groceries, you can imagine how much control you have over psychos getting a gun. a psycho wanting to shoot into a school yard can simply buy the bullets he needs, and then ask a neighbour if he can borrow his shotgun to shoot some racoons that have been raiding his yard.
I want to know if mentally unstable people should have the right to "protect" themselves too.
does anyone know of a mass killing anywhere else outside the us? or how many there are compared elsewhere in the world compared to the us? i can't remember the last time a french person or a japanese walked into a school with an uzi and started shooting.
what is even more worrying is the fact that people like pritybetta who "loves their guns" are only saying it is a fundamental right to own guns, to "defend" themselves against evil governments(we will discuss how in the world the french manage to remain a democracy without guns some other times). they never mentioned once "i wants my guns, but i should be very thoroughly psych checked periodically(twice a year at least) and they shouldn't sell bullets in grocery stores and they should have brutal laws for having a gun without a permit".
Originally posted by ZahlanziIn France, the culture of brotherhood, equality and solidarity has made mass murder and crime a group sport: (i.e.) La Revelucion, collaboration with the Nazis and annual summer Islamic youth riots.
...i can't remember the last time a french person or a japanese walked into a school with an uzi and started shooting.
In Japan, they use knives:
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/09/world/fg-stab9
Originally posted by ZahlanziI'm guessing that all the Romanian Jews who perished during the pogroms of the WWII era wished they had guns or were able to buy bullets at the grocery store. What do you think?
what is even more worrying is the fact that people like pritybetta who "loves their guns" are only saying it is a fundamental right to own guns, to "defend" themselves against evil governments(we will discuss how in the world the french manage to remain a democracy without guns some other times). they never mentioned once "i wants my guns, but i should be v ...[text shortened]... ts in grocery stores and they should have brutal laws for having a gun without a permit".
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt happens occasionally in other countries but is very rare compared to the US.
if people could walk into walmarts and buy bullets along with their groceries, you can imagine how much control you have over psychos getting a gun. a psycho wanting to shoot into a school yard can simply buy the bullets he needs, and then ask a neighbour if he can borrow his shotgun to shoot some racoons that have been raiding his yard.
does anyone know ...[text shortened]... last time a french person or a japanese walked into a school with an uzi and started shooting.
However, much as I think the gun culture in the US is perfectly potty, I don´t really believe the serious numbers of mass killings in the US are a result of gun ownership per se.
Originally posted by ZahlanziSo people's need to get from point a to point b outweighs the number of deaths caused doing this every year? In the us in 2006 15000 more people died in car related incidents than in gun related ones. If your argument was just about the loss of human life, shouldn't you be arguing against the heinousness of the morning commute, or drunk driving? You don't have to kill a criminal to make it run away. Often a warning shot will make that criminal cease and desist in a hurry.
yes it does matter. people need cars to get from A to B. people don't need guns. people keep mentioning self defense. but unless the armed thug comes at you waving a flag and blowing a whistle, you are at a disadvantage. who do you think would win in a gun fight? the armed burglar who is on alert mode or the average joe half at sleep coming down with a shot ...[text shortened]... nvest more in police, in patrols. in common sense. i don't own a gun and i am doing just fine.
Originally posted by dryhumpor panic that you reach for the gun and shoot you first. he is walking into a situation with more info than you, he has the advantage.
So people's need to get from point a to point b outweighs the number of deaths caused doing this every year? In the us in 2006 15000 more people died in car related incidents than in gun related ones. If your argument was just about the loss of human life, shouldn't you be arguing against the heinousness of the morning commute, or drunk driving? You don't ...[text shortened]... make it run away. Often a warning shot will make that criminal cease and desist in a hurry.
let's argue about drunk driving. in another thread. this is about the necessity of guns and not even gun related killings. there isn't a connection. one is necessary, the other is not. i don't own a car in case a job happens to me and i need to get to it. cars have other uses besides killing(which was not an intended use anywya), guns are meant to fire bullets and kill. i use the car every day. i need it. i don't need a gun and i never will. not to mention one has to pass a driving exam. and psych test. aptitude tests, and periodic evaluations.
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterseveral ministers were assasinated during that era. you probably think their bodyguards had squirt guns.
I'm guessing that all the Romanian Jews who perished during the pogroms of the WWII era wished they had guns or were able to buy bullets at the grocery store. What do you think?
you probably think the german jews should have had guns too and then they would have kicked nazi in the balls. the iraqis had guns, how long did they last against the invading american army?
Originally posted by WheelyOf course it would have made a difference, why do you think the Nazis outlawed guns in the first place? In retrospect, would you have rather gone to the ovens or shot your Nazi or Romanian oppressors when they came to your doorstep in the middle of the night? After the first couple of times, I think it would have stopped.
You think that would have made the slightest bit of difference?