26 Jul 08
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeA local boy kicked me in the butt last week
How does championing the right to bear arms harmonize with Jesus's admonition to turn the other cheek?
I just smiled at him and I turned the other cheek!
I really don't care in fact I wish him well
'Cause I'll be laughing my head off when he's burning in Hell! 😏
26 Jul 08
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeI am sorry but the Bible doe not say we can not protect ourselves from those who try to kill us for worldly reasons.
How does championing the right to bear arms harmonize with Jesus's admonition to turn the other cheek?
Neither doe it tell us we are not to keep and bear firearms.😉
26 Jul 08
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Originally posted by kirksey957lol, no, but other weapons did. I know there are many verses about loosing you life for Chirst's sake, however, loosing you life for the sake of 20 bucks is a different story.
I don't think firearms existed in the time of the Bible.
Edit: If this is going to go Biblical we may have to start a thread in the Spirituality forum.😉
26 Jul 08
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Originally posted by kirksey957Indeed, and therefore it dosen't validate the use of them.
I don't think firearms existed in the time of the Bible.
On a side note that programme I watched on the Qur'an the other week had a clip about a fraction funded by the oil in Saudi Arabia. It is paying for free Qur'ans to be given outto those who can not afford. Like the Giddions?- not quiet, it's translating with it's own slant, including words like 'armoured artilary' 'Guns' and a few more.
26 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaTell me when you first shot a gun. Who taught you about guns? What is your favorite gun? Which would appeal to you more, shooting a criminal breaking into your home or shooting an animal for food if you were starving?
lol, no, but other weapons did. I know there are many verses about loosing you life for Chirst's sake, however, loosing you life for the sake of 20 bucks is a different story.
Edit: If this is going to go Biblical we may have to start a thread in the Spirituality forum.😉
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26 Jul 08
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeKeep in mind that in Gethsemene the disciples were armed. When Jesus is betrayed by Judas and attempts are made to arrest him, one of the disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman which Jesus heals before submitting to arrest, no?
How does championing the right to bear arms harmonize with Jesus's admonition to turn the other cheek?
You're going to have to dig deeper in chapters 5-7 of Matthew and grasp that as a whole; reciting one line isn't the do-all and end-all of discipleship. (And Matthew is a witness on how one is a disciple of Jesus).
26 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaNot explicitly, no.
I am sorry but the Bible doe not say we can not protect ourselves from those who try to kill us for worldly reasons.
Neither doe it tell us we are not to keep and bear firearms.😉
However, I think you would have to be wilfully obtuse not to recognize the following: that the strong moral implication of Jesus' admonition to turn the other cheek--that, not to meet violence with violence (or the threat thereof), but instead to voluntarily expose oneself to further violence--is not compatible with taking measures to ensure that one can visit on those who would be violent toward you some degree of reciprocal violence, either as a retribution or as a warning.
26 Jul 08
Originally posted by BadwaterAll that proves is that Jesus's disciples behaved at odds with Jesus's admonitions.
Keep in mind that in Gethsemene the disciples were armed. When Jesus is betrayed by Judas and attempts are made to arrest him, one of the disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman which Jesus heals before submitting to arrest, no?
You're going to have to dig deeper in chapters 5-7 of Matthew and grasp that as a whole; reciting one line isn't the do-all and end-all of discipleship. (And Matthew is a witness on how one is a disciple of Jesus).
You also seem to forget that Jesus, at least in one Gospel, reprimanded the disciple who sprang to his defense.
I am sorry you have such trouble understanding the perfectly transparent meaning of "turning the other cheek". Kindly don't project your intellectual debilities onto me.
26 Jul 08
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Originally posted by BadwaterAnd Jesus quickly put a stop to it and righted the wrong.
Keep in mind that in Gethsemene the disciples were armed. When Jesus is betrayed by Judas and attempts are made to arrest him, one of the disciples cuts off the ear of a Roman which Jesus heals before submitting to arrest, no?
You're going to have to dig deeper in chapters 5-7 of Matthew and grasp that as a whole; reciting one line isn't the do-all and end-all of discipleship. (And Matthew is a witness on how one is a disciple of Jesus).
Jesus only had two commandments. Do you really believe that killing another wouldn't go against either?
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Originally posted by PawnokeyholeI forget nothing of the kind. I only think that it's interesting that it would seem that in Jesus' own circle that the mere presence of a sword (read: gun) doesn't seem to violate his edict to be turning the other cheek. This is quite later than the Sermon on the Mount and the time for admonitions would have long since happened.
All that proves is that Jesus's disciples behaved at odds with Jesus's admonitions.
You also seem to forget that Jesus, at least in one Gospel, reprimanded the disciple who sprang to his defense.
I am sorry you have such trouble understanding the perfectly transparent meaning of "turning the other cheek". Kindly don't project your intellectual debilities onto me.
And - I project nothing upon you that you do not allow. Neither I nor anyone else has that kind of power.