Originally posted by dryhumpyes, but the purpose of the car is not to run pedestrians over.
So are cars and motorcycles. Mountain climbing is inherently dangerous.
guns are meant for hurting people. sure, in a world of guns, one should own one if he feels he is better protected. but only if he passes a strict psycho test and only for certain guns and strictly register every gun ever sold. also every bullet. in fact, bullets should be given by the police and only after someone is mugged or his house is broken into and he had to fire the gun. and not sold at walmart as americans do. as chris rock said, bullets should cost 5000$, that way people would only fire their gun if they absolutely have to.
Originally posted by ZahlanziA tax on bullets I like that idea.
yes, but the purpose of the car is not to run pedestrians over.
guns are meant for hurting people. sure, in a world of guns, one should own one if he feels he is better protected. but only if he passes a strict psycho test and only for certain guns and strictly register every gun ever sold. also every bullet. in fact, bullets should be given by the polic ...[text shortened]... bullets should cost 5000$, that way people would only fire their gun if they absolutely have to.
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt doesn't matter much what the purpose is, what do you think kills more people in the US every year?
yes, but the purpose of the car is not to run pedestrians over.
guns are meant for hurting people. sure, in a world of guns, one should own one if he feels he is better protected. but only if he passes a strict psycho test and only for certain guns and strictly register every gun ever sold. also every bullet. in fact, bullets should be given by the polic ...[text shortened]... bullets should cost 5000$, that way people would only fire their gun if they absolutely have to.
Originally posted by duecerAlthough His calling was unique, He was not a pacifist, nor a communist. For example, he overturned the trays of the moneychangers in the Temple, told his disciples to sell their possessions and acquire a sword for their journey, and said: "I have not come to deliver peace, but the sword!" Another interesting quote is: "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." Quotes and actions like these make it pretty clear that He approved of self-defense.
Christ was a pacifist, and a communist.😲😲😲
As to the claim that Jesus was a communist, I strongly disagree. Although the disciples lived communally, their sharing was voluntary, never compulsory or at the point of a sword. Although the Bible tells us to help the needy, it makes no mention that we must have "all things in common." Lastly, communism is anti-Christian, for when the state is god, there can be no God. Therefore, communism and Christianity are antithetical.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAnd I guess loving your enemies, and praying for those who hurt you, is achieved by equipping yourself with a deadly means of self-defense and not hesitating to deploy it, is it?
When He says, "Turn the other cheek," He's talking about people directing unpleasant things towards you, such as gossip or false witness, not a gun.
And the meek who inherit the earth do so by staring down their attackers through the cross-hairs of their shotgun, eh?
And giving yourself over voluntarily to belligerent martial authorities for crucifixion exemplifies the virtue of vigorous self-defense, does it?
You really need to stop projecting your own preferences on to Jesus.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterOverturning trays in the temple was not an example of self-defence, but of protest.
Although His calling was unique, He was not a pacifist, nor a communist. For example, he overturned the trays of the moneychangers in the Temple, told his disciples to sell their possessions and acquire a sword for their journey, and said: "I have not come to deliver peace, but the sword!" Another interesting quote is: "Greater love has no one th ...[text shortened]... state is god, there can be no God. Therefore, communism and Christianity are antithetical.
The sword Jesus spoke of was metaphorical, not real.
Laying down your life for another does not imply killing an assailant.
I concede that Jesus may not have been completely opposed to self-defense. But that doesn't mean the general thrust of his message is consistent with stalwart pro-gun ideology. It's clear from many of pronouncements that he did not advocate meeting force with force.
Originally posted by ZahlanziA tax on bullets is an idea that bears exploration. It certainly makes more sense than trying to take guns out of circulation (because that would mean responsible users, who would give them up, would lose guns relative to irresponsible users, who would not give them up, thereby endangering the former and empowering the latter). But taxing bullets might just create a lucrative black market.
yes, but the purpose of the car is not to run pedestrians over.
guns are meant for hurting people. sure, in a world of guns, one should own one if he feels he is better protected. but only if he passes a strict psycho test and only for certain guns and strictly register every gun ever sold. also every bullet. in fact, bullets should be given by the polic ...[text shortened]... bullets should cost 5000$, that way people would only fire their gun if they absolutely have to.
In a society where guns are already rife, it's possible that there would be fewer deaths if every adult were just given a gun without precondition. Suppose everyone carried a gun all the time. Would you rob a bank, or try to kidnap someone, or threaten someone at gunpoint? Accidental deaths would surely increase. But there would be a compensatory reduction in intended deaths committed by criminals. Which would be greater? In addition, responsible citizens would tend to kill criminal irresponsible users of guns when they got out of line, meaning they would not be around in future to kill responsible users of guns.
Ultimately, the balance of costs and benefits is an empirical question. John Lott claimed to have provided some evidence that more guns mean less crime. But I understand his conclusions have been credibly contested recently, by Ian Ayers and others.
Personally, I hate guns. I regard enthusiasm for them in others as a vice. But if supplying guns widely reduces harm, I couldn't in good conscience oppose them. But I suspect Jesus still would!
The post that was quoted here has been removedNO, I don't aim for anything other than what I am hunting for.
I like to be in the woods, and I like to eat deer meat. Hunting deer also keeps the deer population down. I think being in nature and hunting like people had to long ago is what I enjoy most. Knowing that If anything ever happened and I had to fend for myself and my family and knowing how to is a joy in its self.
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhat, just because I own guns and like to hunt and target practice that makes me un civilized? I am able to do so because I am civilized.
"Your love of guns is something I can not understand- each to their own I guess. "
in addition to what yo said i find it also disturbing. but since your parents bought you a gun when you were 6, i guess it is really not entirely your fault. sure, give a bb gun to a 6 year old maybe she will check the barrel and see if the bb is still in there and blind her ...[text shortened]... r used to characterize europeans) have one opinion. and as yo said, i cannot understand yours
I do not see where shooting guns is a trespass to the Lord like homosexuality is. You can not compare them.
BTW, my dad was present whenever I was shooting and he made sure we were safe with them. He also kept them with his guns in a safe. We were not able to just go and get them whenever we wanted. You just assumed we did and that he didn't make sure we were safe so you jumped to posting this.
We have a 9mm, a .40 and a .45. We sold the 24/7 which would have made it four hand guns. We have those three and now getting another, a .22 for cheeper practice. 😉
Originally posted by ZahlanziWow, you are now talking about taxing people to death.
yes, but the purpose of the car is not to run pedestrians over.
guns are meant for hurting people. sure, in a world of guns, one should own one if he feels he is better protected. but only if he passes a strict psycho test and only for certain guns and strictly register every gun ever sold. also every bullet. in fact, bullets should be given by the polic ...[text shortened]... bullets should cost 5000$, that way people would only fire their gun if they absolutely have to.
Originally posted by yo its meYou forget there are people out there that reload their own ammunition as we do. Many even make their own bullets. 😉
A tax on bullets I like that idea.
Are we going to ban reloading to? This would put many out of a job. They would not have to have anyone to help make the equipment.