26 Jan 22
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/us/san-jose-gun-law-wednesday/index.html
The San Jose, California, city council voted Tuesday night to adopt a first-in-the-nation ordinance requiring most gun owners to pay a fee and carry liability insurance, measures aimed at reducing the risk of gun harm by incentivizing safer behavior and easing taxpayers of the financial burden of gun violence.
26 Jan 22
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-jose-approves-controversial-gun-owners-liability-insurance-residents
San Jose approves gun owners liability insurance
A California city has approved liability insurance for gun owners, the first such measure in the US, as it seeks to lower gun violence through stricter rules.
The San Jose City Council held a final vote on Tuesday to turn a proposal it previously passed into law requiring gun owners in the city to carry the insurance and pay a fee, the Associated Press reported. The previous vote was held on June 30, 2021.
"The proposals include two requirements for gun owners that no city or state in the U.S. has ever implemented: the purchase of liability insurance and the payment of annual fees to fund violence-reduction initiatives,"
The proposal intends to better compensate shooting victims and their families
Brilliant.
26 Jan 22
@mott-the-hoople saidIt doesn't forbid gun laws either, as evidenced by the many gun laws.
because the constitution doesnt explicitly forbid vehicle laws
@vivify saidyes it does...
It doesn't forbid gun laws either, as evidenced by the many gun laws.
" "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.""
any gun law is unconstitutional.
and it is stupid beyond belief to think that a law will prevent criminals from having guns.
26 Jan 22
@mott-the-hoople saidRidiculous.
yes it does...
" "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.""
any gun law is unconstitutional.
and it is stupid beyond belief to think that a law will prevent criminals from having guns.
The Framers never intended any right to be unlimited and various local restrictions on guns were commonplace in1787.
@mott-the-hoople saidThis is in the context of a well-regulated militia. Those not part of a well regulated militia arguably fall outside that parameter, making them subject to gun laws.
yes it does...
" "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.""
26 Jan 22
@vivify saidThat argument won't do as every able bodied white male between 18 and 45 was conscripted into local militias.
This is in the context of a well-regulated militia. Those not part of a well regulated militia arguably fall outside that parameter, making them subject to gun laws.
It's best to discuss what the Framers intended as the scope of the right.
@techsouth saidSemantics noted.
@vivify
You don't need insurance to own a car. You just need insurance to drive on a public road.
You can own a car without insurance but you can't use it; in NY state, uninsured vehicles must be put on blocks. Let's make it that uninsured gun owners have guns that don't work.
@no1marauder saidThat's exactly the point; militias are nearly non-existent, so the original intent of the Framers doesn't apply here.
That argument won't do as every able bodied white male between 18 and 45 was conscripted into local militias.
It's best to discuss what the Framers intended as the scope of the right.
26 Jan 22
@vivify saidI imagine the only well regulated militia would be the national guard. So yeah why shouldn’t anyone wanting to take a deadly weapon into a public space require liability insurance.
This is in the context of a well-regulated militia. Those not part of a well regulated militia arguably fall outside that parameter, making them subject to gun laws.
26 Jan 22
@techsouth saidWell a public space is anywhere outside of your private space so the insurance could be required in order to get a public carry licence.
@vivify
You don't need insurance to own a car. You just need insurance to drive on a public road.
26 Jan 22
@kevcvs57 saidThe national guard is considered the military, it just so happens to answer to state authorities as well as federal. So I doubt that could be considered a militia.
I imagine the only well regulated militia would be the national guard. So yeah why shouldn’t anyone wanting to take a deadly weapon into a public space require liability insurance.