Having rights still bewilderingly popular

@boonon said
If the woman has the ability to decide life and death in your case, shouldn't she also be responsible enough to make sure protection is used? If something as simple as that is done, the HARD decision to kill would not need to be made.

My answer is simply that they want to get pregnant. They know how it happens, so they can safeguard as you suggest, or, get pregnant. Libs hate my saying this, but it is logical is it not?

@zahlanzi said
and whoosh goes the point over your head

If you can't answer zahlooney bamboozle it's better to just let it go, these desperado 'save face' posts are embarrassing and have the opposite effect.

@averagejoe1 said
But, Babies having Rights is not popular. F’em.?
OK, since you are digging a hole, Iowa (or Ohio, I can’t keep up..) says OK to abort a baby just before birth. I am going to assume that you cannot believe that, but take it a step further, and ask you when you think a limit should be on when to abort a baby. Just you….. I’m not talking about the populace.
Trick question alert.

No one aborts babies. Of course babies have rights, equal to anyone else’s.

Fetuses, however, do not have rights. There is no right to be born.

@moonbus said
No one aborts babies. Of course babies have rights, equal to anyone else’s.

Fetuses, however, do not have rights. There is no right to be born.

We're trying to establish a line, if there is one. Can we assume you have none and if for any reason a mother can find someone to perform it, she can abort immediately prior to birth.

Try not to use the cop-out 'it rarely happens'.

Also a secondary question has arisen for the pro-deathers to avoid. Can a woman engage the services of anyone to perform the scraping out of the maggot?

Wherever the line ends up I believe if the prospective mother can find a vet to do it, and if she wants, and if all parties are consensual, then that's no one else's business. How about you, after all it's 'THE WOMANS CHOICE' (as screwy says)

@moonbus said
No one aborts babies. Of course babies have rights, equal to anyone else’s.

Fetuses, however, do not have rights. There is no right to be born.

But does not the fefus become a baby (Can live outside the mother) at 28 weeks? Do you think an abortion of the baby can happen even after 28 weeks? I am not putting you on the spot, I am just pointing out thay many liberal hyenas are good with it. Millions of them.
Makes me sad. Some of them are right on this Forum.

@wajoma said
We're trying to establish a line, if there is one. Can we assume you have none and if for any reason a mother can find someone to perform it, she can abort immediately prior to birth.

Try not to use the cop-out 'it rarely happens'.

Also a secondary question has arisen for the pro-deathers to avoid. Can a woman engage the services of anyone to perform the scraping out o ...[text shortened]... n that's no one else's business. How about you, after all it's 'THE WOMANS CHOICE' (as screwy says)

Yes, I too thought that Suzy was a bit cavalier to say 'it never happens'. That is not the issue, but what's new. The question, simply put, is ...how long can a woman wait to get an abortion?

@wajoma said
We're trying to establish a line, if there is one. Can we assume you have none and if for any reason a mother can find someone to perform it, she can abort immediately prior to birth.

Try not to use the cop-out 'it rarely happens'.

Also a secondary question has arisen for the pro-deathers to avoid. Can a woman engage the services of anyone to perform the scraping out o ...[text shortened]... n that's no one else's business. How about you, after all it's 'THE WOMANS CHOICE' (as screwy says)

The line was established by the Roe decision. It was both ethically tenable end empirically verifiable. The line was: if the fetus would be viable outside the womb, given the best available care at the time (including in incubators), then don't abort the pregnancy. If the fetus would not be viable outside the womb, given the best available care at the time (including in incubators), then aborting the pregnancy is not killing anything that was alive anyway. Simple.

@wajoma said
screwy suzi thinks 5 minute before birth abortions should be legal, and therefore people offering those services should be able to advertise their services. I imagine the price would go up the more developed the maggot, more, ummmm let's call it material, to be removed, that would be some deterrent of late term abortions anyway.

You could have said so, you could have said t ...[text shortened]... ions are ok? He may not feel so lonely now, your admission screwy suzi may bolster the wet sandwich.

THERE ARE NO "5 MIN BEFORE BIRTH" ABORTIONS, you moron.

@averagejoe1 said
Never done? Suzianne says no baby (libs call it a fetus) has ever been aborted when it is viable, which is 28 weeks. That is what she is saying, she wants us to believe in effect that no baby is killed when it is the subject of an abortion. I have nver seen a weaker forum postition than those of libs on abortion.
Suzianne, like Zhalanzi, finds hereself in conflict.

Of course 28 week abortions have happened. Why are you moving the goalposts?

Your (and Wajoma's) main point seems to be this "5 min before birth" abortions.

It doesn't happen.

And babies are what they are called after they are born.

No babies are being killed.

Invest in a dictionary.

@averagejoe1 said
I googled it, very rarely, if at all. But many abortions were very late,…. the object was a BABY. Whew. Why split hairs? Can you not bring yourself to say yes, that was pretty bad? Again, if there is a rape or incest, there is plenty of time to have an abortion before a baby becomes a baby. The girl goes to a doctor, and says what happened to her the night before, or th ...[text shortened]... ss conversation. Let’s just say that abortion is bad for the country, Trump is good for the country.

Good Lord, what is this nonsense?

@averagejoe1 said
Are you referring to the point in this post? Sorry I thought we were talking about abortion terms. So you are evading my original unanswered question…..how long? Zahlanzi?
I will now answer your question…. let’s see, it is about the electability of Republicans given their abortion stance. I totally agree with you, they need to let it all go and get away from that iss ...[text shortened]... hlanzi and Susieanne could use a little help answering my last question over in the ‘Naked’ thread.

How many F'ing times do I have to say it?

The woman decides. End of.

@boonon said
If the woman has the ability to decide life and death in your case, shouldn't she also be responsible enough to make sure protection is used? If something as simple as that is done, the HARD decision to kill would not need to be made.

No sh**, Sherlock.

Tell that to a-holes like Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito and Mike Johnson who even want to ban contraception.

Every time the "BAN ABORTION" BS has been brought up here, I ask, Are you okay with every single woman of childbearing age (this means from puberty to menopause) in this country being provided with contraception? If no, then STFU.

@averagejoe1 said
My answer is simply that they want to get pregnant. They know how it happens, so they can safeguard as you suggest, or, get pregnant. Libs hate my saying this, but it is logical is it not?

Aren't you glad you're not a woman?

That way, you can stay ignorant on this subject.

@wajoma said
If you can't answer zahlooney bamboozle it's better to just let it go, these desperado 'save face' posts are embarrassing and have the opposite effect.

Another option for you is just to stop posting about crap you don't know about.

@wajoma said
We're trying to establish a line, if there is one. Can we assume you have none and if for any reason a mother can find someone to perform it, she can abort immediately prior to birth.

Try not to use the cop-out 'it rarely happens'.

Also a secondary question has arisen for the pro-deathers to avoid. Can a woman engage the services of anyone to perform the scraping out o ...[text shortened]... n that's no one else's business. How about you, after all it's 'THE WOMANS CHOICE' (as screwy says)

Vet?

WTF is wrong with you?



And I will ask you this as well. Aren't you glad you're not a woman? At least your bad (or ignorant) decisions don't result in a new human life.

Repeat this until you get it: the woman decides. There is NO ONE better equipped to make the decision.