@averagejoe1 saidIt's not your decision, Jethro.
Yes, I too thought that Suzy was a bit cavalier to say 'it never happens'. That is not the issue, but what's new. The question, simply put, is ...how long can a woman wait to get an abortion?
@suzianne saidThere are babies found in dumpsters suzi bamboozle. So it is reasonable to assume very late term abortions do happen, maybe they're a bit harder to identify as humans in the dumpsters once they're been chopped up and vacuumed out, what's left of the maggot anyway, just soup, do you know, or is it more like ground (mince) meat.
It doesn't happen.
No big deal according to you, if a woman chooses that then 'THE WOMAN DECIDES", right.
Any thoughts on licensed, qualified abortionists or do you believe as I do "THE WOMAN DECIDES"?
@moonbus saidAmazing. Logical reasoning by a liberal. You are aware, I am sure, that your cohorts say that the 'object is not a baby. Please entertain us conservatives by explaining this to your cohorts that they are wrong to suggest aborting up to the last day.
The line was established by the Roe decision. It was both ethically tenable end empirically verifiable. The line was: if the fetus would be viable outside the womb, given the best available care at the time (including in incubators), then don't abort the pregnancy. If the fetus would not be viable outside the womb, given the best available care at the time (including in incubators), then aborting the pregnancy is not killing anything that was alive anyway. Simple.
@suzianne saidAwwww, you miss it once more. The issue is that the state of Ohio (or Iowa) has proposed DOING IT 5 minutes before birth. It may never ever be done, ever, but the issue is not about counting how often, if at all, it has been done. Geez. Daftness prevails. And check out Kev on the Naked Judge thread, I asked if he had a right to take produce out of my vegetable garden. He said yes. A right. Quoted some scribe from medieval times. I am now going to ask him how he could do that without breaking the law, trespassing on my land.
THERE ARE NO "5 MIN BEFORE BIRTH" ABORTIONS, you moron.
@suzianne saidThat is not 'end of', as you do not take the baby into consideration. If you are a passenger in my car and I decide to crash it into a tree at 100 mph, the police would say 'wonder why he would have made that decision'. You are suggesting that they would not consider you in this scenario. Why would they not consider you? Suzianne?
How many F'ing times do I have to say it?
The woman decides. End of.
@suzianne saidNo one should pay for someone else's recreational sex.., That does not compute, Suzianne. Will you buy my next theater ticket?
No sh**, Sherlock.
Tell that to a-holes like Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito and Mike Johnson who even want to ban contraception.
Every time the "BAN ABORTION" BS has been brought up here, I ask, Are you okay with every single woman of childbearing age (this means from puberty to menopause) in this country being provided with contraception? If no, then STFU.
And please provide clear unadulterated info on the judges' attempt to ban contraception....that is a new one for me.
@averagejoe1 saidWell if you are pro life and anti abortion, then does a right to life trump your property rights when a person is hungry and dying from starvation.
Awwww, you miss it once more. The issue is that the state of Ohio (or Iowa) has proposed DOING IT 5 minutes before birth. It may never ever be done, ever, but the issue is not about counting how often, if at all, it has been done. Geez. Daftness prevails. And check out Kev on the Naked Judge thread, I asked if he had a right to take produce out of my vegetable ga ...[text shortened]... s. I am now going to ask him how he could do that without breaking the law, trespassing on my land.
Maybe property rights are the fundamental problem in society as ownership encourages rent seeking behaviour which guarantees an us an them, rich and poor, wealthy and impoverished. Maybe if all property were held as a community resource, it would not stop you from becoming rich especially if you are hard working and productive and manage what your land produces. It just means you don't have a right to prevent a less industrious person from also deriving produce from land, because there would be an allocation that would provide access and an opportunity for each person not to be shut out. Think about all the arable land that is off limits and unused only because the owners allow scarcity of land to drive up the price of what they own....
But never mind. You will find a glaring mistake and you will collapse my argument with some inanity. Yes not Hannity...Something even better.....Inanity!!!
@wajoma saidBut vajoma knows that most libs and lib states settle for 24 weeks unless other extreme circumstances dictate otherwise and the vast vast majority are carried out long before that
A right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others.
Good to see you talking about rights zahlooney bamboozle, you're an abuser of them but maybe through discussion you'll waken to your own hypocrisies.
Sarcasm alert: Who knew it would be about abortion (haw haw).
One thing the pro-deathers (as opposed to the pro-lifers) always like to a ...[text shortened]...
I strongly suggest that you avoid answering this again, as is your, and screwy suzi's, long record.
Turn it on its head and illiberal’s are ok with raped 12 or 13 yr olds are ok with forcing that child to carry the foetus to term some even talk about the moment of conception or want to criminalise the blocking of conception.
Why don’t you ask the other side some questions vajoma given your obvious neutrality between the left and right 😂😂
@averagejoe1 saidWhat baby?
That is not 'end of', as you do not take the baby into consideration. If you are a passenger in my car and I decide to crash it into a tree at 100 mph, the police would say 'wonder why he would have made that decision'. You are suggesting that they would not consider you in this scenario. Why would they not consider you? Suzianne?
Babies are already born. The decision already made.
@averagejoe1 said"The issue is that the state of Ohio (or Iowa) has proposed DOING IT 5 minutes before birth."
Awwww, you miss it once more. The issue is that the state of Ohio (or Iowa) has proposed DOING IT 5 minutes before birth. It may never ever be done, ever, but the issue is not about counting how often, if at all, it has been done. Geez. Daftness prevails. And check out Kev on the Naked Judge thread, I asked if he had a right to take produce out of my vegetable ga ...[text shortened]... s. I am now going to ask him how he could do that without breaking the law, trespassing on my land.
Stop lying. Ohio is a red state that has just added the right to body sovereignty to their state constitution. For Republicans to fight back with this inane idea that a mother would abort a fetus "5 minutes" from birth shows an immense lack of a better argument, falling back as you always do onto fear and hate. That's not how your party should be trying to get votes.
@kevcvs57 saidIs that you Sonhouse, constantly saying that babies of rape and incest should not, may not, be aborted? I would do the abortion myself, who in the hell would force that? Are you gaslighting , or dog whistling, what is that called.?
But vajoma knows that most libs and lib states settle for 24 weeks unless other extreme circumstances dictate otherwise and the vast vast majority are carried out long before that
Turn it on its head and illiberal’s are ok with raped 12 or 13 yr olds are ok with forcing that child to carry the foetus to term some even talk about the moment of conception or want to criminal ...[text shortened]... ask the other side some questions vajoma given your obvious neutrality between the left and right 😂😂
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@kmax87 saidI do not get your meaning, could you maybe put it in an analogy, make it more interesting to respond to?
Well if you are pro life and anti abortion, then does a right to life trump your property rights when a person is hungry and dying from starvation.
"Does a right to life trump your property rights when a person is hungry and dying"?
Like if I have property, do I have a duty of care to someone? Who? You leave too much to the imagination.