Iranian sites like Fordo super reinforced concrete

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
I meant the report came from the President's own Defense Intelligence Agency. (Not from a group of wishful thinking leftists as claimed).

I know I was trying to infer that some people here see any governemtal instution as probably "left" or "ultra-left".

@Ponderable said
I know I was trying to infer that some people here see any governemtal instution as probably "left" or "ultra-left".

I tend to miss things on a Thursday. 🙂

@moonbus said
Well, maybe not lying, but bragging as usual, because, after all, a 30,000 pound payload does sound like it would make an awful big bang. He never troubles himself about details and distrusts his own intel department's assessment. He gambles bigly, that military pressure and the threat of further military action will bring Iran to the negotiating table, but severely miscalcul ...[text shortened]... ure will not make them give up nuclear weapons research, but only make them more secretive about it.

The thing about that bomb is not making a big boom, it has much less actual explosives inside, mainly thousands of pounds of metal going very fast to penetrate deep into the ground and THEN the ordinance fires. But it is now known the concrete of the bunkers were made of a special VERY high strength concrete some ten times stronger than normal construction concrete and now it seems even a bunker buster won't crack through.

@Rajk999 said
The day you stop your Trump-focus, and start posting stuff that really matters on a world scale, then that is the day your credibility takes a massive leap forward. Right now your posts are speculation and petty gossip about Trump and his personality disorders as if people care.

The issue is whether or not Iran still has nukes or the ability to make it in the short term. M ...[text shortened]... ng nuclear physists hired to help Iran. No diplomacy, talking, blah blah nonsense is going to help.

All well and good but it is KNOWN Iran knew well in advance a US attack was coming and there are sat images of DOZENS of trucks hauling the enriched uranium out the bunkers and now there is a LOT of 60% enriched uranium scuttled away to parts unknown and the official intel sources say the nuclear program was set back only a few months so it is a good guess that the ultraright wingers in Iran will be even that much more motivated to build a bomb. And BTW, even 60% uranium is good enough to build a dirty bomb, no nuclear explosion but just spreading highly radio active stuff in the blast to make that area unlivable.

@sonhouse said
All well and good but it is KNOWN Iran knew well in advance a US attack was coming and there are sat images of DOZENS of trucks hauling the enriched uranium out the bunkers and now there is a LOT of 60% enriched uranium scuttled away to parts unknown and the official intel sources say the nuclear program was set back only a few months so it is a good guess that the ultrarigh ...[text shortened]... ear explosion but just spreading highly radio active stuff in the blast to make that area unlivable.

Makes no difference. What Trump did was required, and if it is required again then either him or Netanyahu will do it. The point is that it was important to destroy the actual location of the nuclear installations. Moving the uranium and having it hidden is fine, but you need a load of centrifuges and other specialised equipment, which Trump destroyed, to continue the work. Its not as easy as you claim and the only reason why you are not thinking logically is your hatred for Trump.

@Rajk999 said
Makes no difference. What Trump did was required, and if it is required again then either him or Netanyahu will do it. The point is that it was important to destroy the actual location of the nuclear installations. Moving the uranium and having it hidden is fine, but you need a load of centrifuges and other specialised equipment, which Trump destroyed, to continue the work. ...[text shortened]... s easy as you claim and the only reason why you are not thinking logically is your hatred for Trump.

There has been no confirmation that the facility or it contents were destroyed, only that the entrance tunnels collapsed. Iran's parliament has voted to refuse to let IAEA inspectors at the site, so we are all just speculating at this point, how much damage was actually done. I don't trust anything Trump says; when he's not outright lying, he's bragging or speaking figuratively (as when he claimed he would end the Russia-Ukraine war within 24 hours, now that he realizes he can't actually deliver, he says he was then speaking figuratively). I don't for a moment believe him when he says the Iranian nuclear weapons programme was "totally obliterated". That is just him bragging (again) without supplying any evidence.

@moonbus said
There has been no confirmation that the facility or it contents were destroyed, only that the entrance tunnels collapsed. Iran's parliament has voted to refuse to let IAEA inspectors at the site, so we are all just speculating at this point, how much damage was actually done. I don't trust anything Trump says; when he's not outright lying, he's bragging or speaking figurative ...[text shortened]... ogramme was "totally obliterated". That is just him bragging (again) without supplying any evidence.

Ok, for me I have no interest in Trumps failings as a President. My interest is in world affairs and understanding what is going on with Irans alleged nuclear weapons programme. Obviously nobody can tell from the air what the damage is in an underground bunker, and people should not take what Trump said as if it is Gods truth... that does not even need a discussion.

Also the fact that Iran refused entry to IAEA inspectors tells you something ...
- that they were badly damaged and dont want the US / Israel to know that... or
- that they really have a nuke factory going on down there and IAEA would expose their lying about it.

It should be a foregone conclusion that Trumps statements need verification from a reliable source before it is believed. What is the point in keep on saying the same things every day about Trump. People who want to read important stuff have to read through the drama and Trump nonsense to get to facts.

@Rajk999 said
Makes no difference. What Trump did was required, and if it is required again then either him or Netanyahu will do it. The point is that it was important to destroy the actual location of the nuclear installations. Moving the uranium and having it hidden is fine, but you need a load of centrifuges and other specialised equipment, which Trump destroyed, to continue the work. ...[text shortened]... s easy as you claim and the only reason why you are not thinking logically is your hatred for Trump.

What would have made a difference if they lost access to the near pure uranium, now they have it stocked away god knows where ready to shove into another centrifuge and they can already make a dirty bomb, just load it with uranium that won't blow up but just make the space around the blast unlivable because of the radiation splattered around.

@sonhouse said
What would have made a difference if they lost access to the near pure uranium, now they have it stocked away god knows where ready to shove into another centrifuge and they can already make a dirty bomb, just load it with uranium that won't blow up but just make the space around the blast unlivable because of the radiation splattered around.

Makes no difference. Israel will find any sign of a restart of nuke activity. I dont know what you are worried about. You are just a drama queen.

@Rajk999 said
Makes no difference. Israel will find any sign of a restart of nuke activity. I dont know what you are worried about. You are just a drama queen.

Tell me that when Iran actually launches a dirty bomb, forget nukes. They can make a place around the impact zone uninhabitable.
I hope they can be brought to the table again since Trump was such an OBVIOUS failure the last time, ripping up a WORKING agreement where people had unfettered access to ALL the nuke sites.
Trump could not STAND a diplomatic win by Obama so in his INFINITE wisdom killed that deal.
INFINITE wisdom, just ask him, he will tell you.

@sonhouse said
Tell me that when Iran actually launches a dirty bomb, forget nukes. They can make a place around the impact zone uninhabitable.
I hope they can be brought to the table again since Trump was such an OBVIOUS failure the last time, ripping up a WORKING agreement where people had unfettered access to ALL the nuke sites.
Trump could not STAND a diplomatic win by Obama so in his INFINITE wisdom killed that deal.
INFINITE wisdom, just ask him, he will tell you.

If you want to post a question or comment that excludes the word Trump I will be willing to read it and respond.

The issue is nukes in Iran.

@Rajk999 said
If you want to post a question or comment that excludes the word Trump I will be willing to read it and respond.

The issue is nukes in Iran.

If it had not been for the T word, we would still have a real deal with Iran, that's all I am saying.
T is an ASSSHOLE totally incompetent to lead the country.
He is called TACO for a reason.

@sonhouse said
If it had not been for the T word, we would still have a real deal with Iran, that's all I am saying.
T is an ASSSHOLE totally incompetent to lead the country.
He is called TACO for a reason.

Just cannot help yourself.

@Rajk999 said
Just cannot help yourself.

Yeah, you sit on the doc of the bay watching the fish sail away on your nice little island while WE have to deal with the consequences of a dude who wants VERY BADLY to be KING.
No big deal right? Who gives a rats ass for this democracy thing anyway, it's a failed experiment, right?

@sonhouse said
Yeah, you sit on the doc of the bay watching the fish sail away on your nice little island while WE have to deal with the consequences of a dude who wants VERY BADLY to be KING.
No big deal right? Who gives a rats ass for this democracy thing anyway, it's a failed experiment, right?

One a world scale we all have far bigger issues than Trump.
Open your eyes.