@Rajk999 saidAccording to this article (https://www.11alive.com/article/news/special-reports/apalachee-high-shooting/interviews-enrollment-records-show-tumultuous-school-history-suspected-apalachee-high-school-shooter/85-ecfe2e68-97a1-463a-9ee0-b399a91e76f5), it was Colt's first day at Apalachee High School.
The father bought the disturbed kid a gun. The kid was being bullied in school, and his friends referred to him as gay. He apparently made death threats online. The father knew all this. Then bought the gun. There is something sadly wrong with the father. You dont buy weapons for teens going through problems in school.
@no1marauder saidIf you have lived, raised your child this long you know their issues, how they deal with different situations. He would have to be off himself and out of touch with reality extremely bad as a parent with his son. I don’t think so, has he not heard of martial arts or cross fit?
What is the source of such information? Some of seems clearly wrong:
"Following the tips from Discord users, authorities went to the Grays’ residence and spoke to both Colt, who was then 13 and a student at Jefferson Middle School in Georgia, and his father, Colin, according to the report. Colin denied knowing what Discord was, and Colt said he had deactivated his Disc ...[text shortened]... eats online, he denied it and his father believed him. That makes the father an accessory to murder?
@no1marauder saidThere is naturally going to be a lot of conflicting stories in this situation. First stories are usually factual, then a bunch of twisted stories come out when people realise the seriousness of the matter. Finally when it hits the court and proper investigations are done, then we might get the whole story. For now none of us know the truth. So lets hold on. Personally I hope this 14 yr old get some help and more mature guidance, and the parents get off with a warning and some community service.
According to this article (https://www.11alive.com/article/news/special-reports/apalachee-high-shooting/interviews-enrollment-records-show-tumultuous-school-history-suspected-apalachee-high-school-shooter/85-ecfe2e68-97a1-463a-9ee0-b399a91e76f5), it was Colt's first day at Apalachee High School.
@Rajk999
With what, 4 people dead, I don't think he will be let off with a warning.
But I don't think the kid would be incarcerated more than 4 years, out when he is 18. The father, another story, news at 11. Obviously just my opinion.
@sonhouse saidThe 14 year old is being tried as an adult; he faces life in prison if convicted. His father was told by the judge that he could get 180 years in prison. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/georgia-school-shooting-latest-suspect-colt-gray-faces-possible-life-sentence-over-mass-shooting-that-killed-four/ar-AA1pZH21
@Rajk999
With what, 4 people dead, I don't think he will be let off with a warning.
But I don't think the kid would be incarcerated more than 4 years, out when he is 18. The father, another story, news at 11. Obviously just my opinion.
The Crumbleys got 10 years, but they weren't charged with murder like Colin Grey is.
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@vivify saidUsing suicides as a "gun violence" statistic and relying on the outlier results in 2021 because of COVID's deleterious effect on social structures leads to misleading conclusions.
That doesn't seem correct.
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/6-charts-show-rise-guns-us-people-dying-rcna30537
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ft_23-04-20_gundeathsupdate_2-png/
Most sources say the exact opposite.
The US percentage of deaths by homicide, the majority of which are caused by firearms, was 1.21% in 1990. In 2020, it was .71%. That's a significant decrease. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1386331/us-share-deaths-homicide-historical/
Or another measure:
" In 1990, the murder rate per 100,000 people stood at 9.4; and stood at 6.3 in 2022." https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/#:~:text=In%201990%2C%20the%20murder%20rate%20per%20100%2C000%20people,at%209.4%3B%20and%20stood%20at%206.3%20in%202022.
@no1marauder
Do you think that will actually happen, 14 yo in prison for literally life?
What is the age limit to where DOJ cannot try a kid as an adult?
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@no1marauder saidhttps://www.statista.com/statistics/249803/number-of-homicides-by-firearm-in-the-united-states/
Using suicides as a "gun violence" statistic and relying on the outlier results in 2021 because of COVID's deleterious effect on social structures leads to misleading conclusions.
The US percentage of deaths by homicide, the majority of which are caused by firearms, was 1.21% in 1990. In 2020, it was .71%. That's a significant decrease. https://www.statista.com/statis ...[text shortened]... C%20the%20murder%20rate%20per%20100%2C000%20people,at%209.4%3B%20and%20stood%20at%206.3%20in%202022.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/
Homicides by firearms have steadily increased, as well as mass shootings.
@sonhouse saidThe case is in Georgia which has been the most aggressive in the nation in sentencing juveniles as young as 13 to life sentences:
@no1marauder
Do you think that will actually happen, 14 yo in prison for literally life?
What is the age limit to where DOJ cannot try a kid as an adult?
"A national outlier: Georgia leads the nation in juvenile lifers sentenced over the past decade. Georgia is the only state to sentence more young people to life without parole after the Supreme Court restricted use of the harsh sentence than before. The state has sentenced 31 young people to life without parole since 2012.Of the roughly 100 juvenile lifers sentenced nationally over the past decade, more than half are in Georgia and Louisiana, which is second in the nation during that period."
https://www.corrections1.com/juvenile-offenders/ga-legislators-seek-to-ban-life-without-parole-for-juveniles
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@vivify saidFirearm homicide rates were 7.0 per 100,000 people in 1993. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/249803/number-of-homicides-by-firearm-in-the-united-states/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/
Homicides by firearms have steadily increased, as well as mass shootings.
It was 5.9 per 100,000 people in 2022. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm
Again, even 2022 numbers are elevated due to the effects of COVID; in 2019 the rate was 4.4. I suspect when 2023 figures are released they will be back in that range.
@sonhouse saidCurtis Jones was. https://6abc.com/news/youngest-children-ever-to-be-tried-as-adults-for-first-degree-murder-to-be-released-/876177/
@no1marauder
Wow, so a 12 yo has never been charged as an adult?
Nathaniel Abraham was. https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/law-magazines/nathaniel-abraham-trial-1999
That's all I could find in a Google search but those are murder cases; perhaps those younger have been charged with other serious felonies.
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@no1marauder saidhttps://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-highest-gun-death-rates
Firearm homicide rates were 7.0 per 100,000 people in 1993. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
It was 5.9 per 100,000 people in 2022. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm
Again, even 2022 numbers are elevated due to the effects of COVID; in 2019 the rate was 4.4. I suspect when 2023 figures are released they will be back in that range.
9 of the top 10 gun homicide rates in America are Red states, which have notoriously lax gun laws. The 3 lowest gun homicide rates are in are blue states.
So if gun homicide rates trended downward it's likely due to the stricter gun laws. New York's rates, though still high, significantly lowered when tighter regulations were enforced.
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@vivify saidThose are "firearm mortality" rates which, again, include suicides.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-highest-gun-death-rates
9 of the top 10 gun homicide rates in America are Red states, which have notoriously lax gun laws. The 3 lowest gun homicide rates are in are blue states.
So if gun homicide rates trended downward it's likely due to the stricter gun laws. New York's rates, though still high, significantly lowered when tighter regulations were enforced.
If you check out homicide mortality rates (there's a link to them in your article), sure poor southern "red" States like Mississippi and Alabama are very high but States with few gun restrictions like Idaho and North Dakota have very low rates. So finding a direct link between gun laws and fewer gun murders seems problematic.
Anyway, it's all a moot point; the present SCOTUS will not allow any gun regulations that don't closely mimic those restrictions State and local legislatures thought wise to put into place 200+ years ago. So virtually all additional ones and quite a few already in existence are likely to fall in the next few years (note just because a legislature didn't think it necessary and/or desirable to pass a particular gun regulation 200+ years ago doesn't mean they were constitutionally barred from doing so, but that is the "logic" that Justice Thomas and the court have adopted).