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@vivify said
Sonhouse didn't say gun ownership should be banned, he said the age limit should be raised.

The Uvalde shooter was 18 years old and used an assault rifle, purchased legally on his 18th birthday, to murder children. If the age limit for that gun was raised to 21, those children may still be alive today.
I’m not sure what age has to do with someone deciding that killing someone or many someones has to do with it. Are there not people older than 21 or 41 that kill with legally bought weapons?🤔

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@Great-Big-Stees said
I’m not sure what age has to do with someone deciding that killing someone or many someones has to do with it. Are there not people older than 21 or 41 that kill with legally bought weapons?🤔
Should we be giving assault rifles to people deemed not old enough to legally drink?

There have been a number of mass shootings by people younger than 21 using legally purchased assault weapons. The Uvalde shooter, the Buffalo mass shooter, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Trump's shooter...the list goes on.

Raising the minimum age for purchasing assault weapons will help reduce mass shootings.

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@Mott-The-Hoople said
the liberal culture is deadly. kids are being taught they can be any gender they choose, homosexuality is just fine, lying, stealing and cheating is just fine. Cops should be eliminated, drugs are just fine.

one parent children where most of the time the parent doesn’t gaf.

working and paying your way is frowned upon.

these lib politicians knew what they are ...[text shortened]... ve a candidate with zero moral character that slept her way up the ladder, kids follow your example.
Actually as the US has gotten more socially "liberal" since the 1990s, crime rates have plummeted.https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2024/03/the-case-of-the-falling-crime-rate/

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@vivify said
Should we be giving assault rifles to people deemed not old enough to legally drink?

There have been a number of mass shootings by people younger than 21 using legally purchased assault weapons. The Uvalde shooter, the Buffalo mass shooter, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Trump's shooter...the list goes on.

Raising the minimum age for purchasing assault weapons will help reduce mass shootings.
The US military does.

Should we raise the age when you can enlist, too?

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@vivify said
Should we be giving assault rifles to people deemed not old enough to legally drink?

There have been a number of mass shootings by people younger than 21 using legally purchased assault weapons. The Uvalde shooter, the Buffalo mass shooter, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Trump's shooter...the list goes on.

Raising the minimum age for purchasing assault weapons will help reduce mass shootings.
Guns seem, no matter how, available to those determined enough to use them. This is and always has been, what looks like an unsolvable situation.

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@no1marauder said
The US military does.

Should we raise the age when you can enlist, too?
A military base is a highly structured, disciplined environment where soldiers receive the best training in the world.

That's not the same as some 18 yr old living in his mom's basement buying an assault rifle.

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@Great-Big-Stees said
Guns seem, no matter how, available to those determined enough to use them. This is and always has been, what looks like an unsolvable situation.
Should we not have laws against rape since there will always be rapists?

Gun laws won't stop all shootings but can at the very least help reduce them. Japan is a great example of how strict gun laws can result in low crime rates.

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@vivify said
Should we not have laws against rape since there will always be rapists?

Gun laws won't stop all shootings but can at the very least help reduce them. Japan is a great example of how strict gun laws can result in low crime rates.
I'm skeptical. The US is a relatively crime friendly country due to a lot of social and economic factors.

Laws in the US are unlikely to yield the same results as they are in Japan.

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@vivify said
Should we not have laws against rape since there will always be rapists?

Gun laws won't stop all shootings but can at the very least help reduce them. Japan is a great example of how strict gun laws can result in low crime rates.
We already have gun laws. Although no expert, by any means, are there statistics that say having the age for legally purchasing guns at 21, lowers the number of these attacks?

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@vivify said
Sonhouse didn't say gun ownership should be banned, he said the age limit should be raised.

The Uvalde shooter was 18 years old at the time of the attack and used an assault rifle, purchased legally on his 18th birthday. If the age limit for that gun was raised to 21, those children may still be alive today.
Age limits or banning outright will not alter anything, just one more gotcha for someone to use to go after someone trying to live a good life and obey the law if something goes wrong.

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@no1marauder said
I'm skeptical. The US is a relatively crime friendly country due to a lot of social and economic factors.

Laws in the US are unlikely to yield the same results as they are in Japan.
If they help reduce gun violence they are still worth pursuing. Japan at least serves as evidence that such measures work.

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@vivify said
Should we be giving assault rifles to people deemed not old enough to legally drink?

There have been a number of mass shootings by people younger than 21 using legally purchased assault weapons. The Uvalde shooter, the Buffalo mass shooter, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Trump's shooter...the list goes on.

Raising the minimum age for purchasing assault weapons will help reduce mass shootings.
EVERY GUN is an assault weapon, that is one of the main purposes of all weapons, and many regular house hold items can be used as assault weapons as well, take out the eyes of an attacker with your car keys for example.

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@vivify said
If they help reduce gun violence they are still worth pursuing. Japan at least serves as evidence that such measures work.
Is it? Is there data showing a period when Japan had a high incidence of gun violence and then stricter laws regarding ownership of guns was passed and the rate of gun violence significantly decreased?

The fact of the matter is gun violence in the US has sharply fallen in the last 30 years even without the measures you are proposing. While I would support some gun control measures, like limiting the capacity of magazines, I don't think a ban on young adults owning a gun is a solution (but hey, I think 18 year Olds should be able to buy alcohol and tobacco, too).

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@KellyJay said
EVERY GUN is an assault weapon, that is one of the main purposes of all weapons, and many regular house hold items can be used as assault weapons as well, take out the eyes of an attacker with your car keys for example.
But some guns can be used to kill a much higher number of people in a shorter time than other guns. Those types of guns should have more restrictions.

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@no1marauder said
Is it? Is there data showing a period when Japan had a high incidence of gun violence and then stricter laws regarding ownership of guns was passed and the rate of gun violence significantly decreased?

The fact of the matter is gun violence in the US has sharply fallen in the last 30 years even without the measures you are proposing. While I would support some gun cont ...[text shortened]... a gun is a solution (but hey, I think 18 year Olds should be able to buy alcohol and tobacco, too).
Japan's lower gun violence is consistent with other nations with tight gun control, like Singapore or the U.K.

And I was only suggesting banning the sale of assault weapons to people under 21, not all guns. Though that would help too.