@Rajk999 saidMillions of people own guns and do not shoot up schools or anyone else. They used to have gun clubs in the country years ago, and the value of human life changed.
Legal ? For a 14 yr old? Cool .. then it serves everybody right then. Let him go shoot up a few dozens more stupid Americans.
@KellyJay saidDid the father buy the weapon legally?
Is it right?
Is it legal for him to teach a kid of that age to use it?
If either answer is a no, then the father broke the law.
If the answer is yes, then they’re attempting to influence parents on the same level as they should hold shops and manufacturers and law makers responsible.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidFailure to secure a firearm, failure to supervise a minor. Parents are liable for their childrens‘ behavior. This is an elementary legal principle.
guilty of what?
@vivify saidNo, not tough at all. Parents are liable for damage their children cause, whether with a gun or a motor vehicle or a baseball bat or their bare hands. If your under-age kid breaks your neighbor‘s window by throwing a rock through it, you‘re liable. If your under-age kid kills 4 people with a gun he got in the family home because the gun was not locked in a cabinet, you‘re liable.
I'm not sure on this one.
In the case of the kid from the UK, the parents ignored multiple warnings signs, include statements from the child, yet still gave him a gun. That seemed like a pretty obvious conviction.
Here, is the father being charged merely because his son was able to get access to the gun? There's lot of implications here.
Obviously, the parents ...[text shortened]... dn't lock up car keys and the child got into an accident after going joyriding?
Tough one here.
Elementary legal principle.
@KellyJay saidCool, then millions will not face the death penalty or life in prison. The value of human life changed because your society started degenerating a few decades ago and nobody did anything about it.
Millions of people own guns and do not shoot up schools or anyone else. They used to have gun clubs in the country years ago, and the value of human life changed.
@moonbus saidNotice that it is only the Americans posting here can neither see nor accept this simple point. This attitude is all over the US. People allow their kids to run rampant in stores and malls, and there are no consequences or accountablity.
No, not tough at all. Parents are liable for damage their children cause, whether with a gun or a motor vehicle or a baseball bat or their bare hands. If your under-age kid breaks your neighbor‘s window by throwing a rock through it, you‘re liable. If your under-age kid kills 4 people with a gun he got in the family home because the gun was not locked in a cabinet, you‘re liable.
Elementary legal principle.
@moonbus saidDoes that include a single mother whose kid is in a gang? Does she get charged for every act of violence that teen gets into?
No, not tough at all. Parents are liable for damage their children cause, whether with a gun or a motor vehicle or a baseball bat or their bare hands. If your under-age kid breaks your neighbor‘s window by throwing a rock through it, you‘re liable. If your under-age kid kills 4 people with a gun he got in the family home because the gun was not locked in a cabinet, you‘re liable.
Elementary legal principle.
To be clear, I agree with you that parents should take responsibility, like in your rock-throwing example. Just how far do we take this legally? If a teen commits rape, do you jail the parents?
Maybe it's not such a bad idea. If parents were worried that their own kid's actions would land them in jail as well, maybe those parents would step up and do what needs to be done to make sure that child follows the law.
There was one news story that came out where a teen girl lured one of her classmates to her house then tied her up and assaulted her over social media posts. The mayor of that town referred to attacker and her conspirators as "animals". You know what happened? The mother of that girl defended her daughter and criticized the mayor for insulting her daughter that way.
Unbelievable.
I can't find a link to that story because it happened about 4 years ago and quite sadly, many similar instances of girls tying up other teens for similar reasons have happened.
But it's an interesting idea. Making parents legally responsible for their child's actions would greatly reduce teen crime, bullying, etc.
@shavixmir saidWhat law says it was illegal to buy a gun for his kid and teach him how to use it? Kids are taught gun safety all of the time, it is a necessary thing with guns, but you claim it is not legal, what law are you pointing to exactly?
Did the father buy the weapon legally?
Is it legal for him to teach a kid of that age to use it?
If either answer is a no, then the father broke the law.
If the answer is yes, then they’re attempting to influence parents on the same level as they should hold shops and manufacturers and law makers responsible.
@moonbus saidSite the law, please! It is wise to have security surrounding weapons, not just guns. There are lots of laws about carrying guns in public and buying them. Show me the law that says what sets are required in securing one so we know if he broke it or not.
Failure to secure a firearm, failure to supervise a minor. Parents are liable for their childrens‘ behavior. This is an elementary legal principle.
@KellyJay saidUh… CAN YOU READ?
What law says it was illegal to buy a gun for his kid and teach him how to use it? Kids are taught gun safety all of the time, it is a necessary thing with guns, but you claim it is not legal, what law are you pointing to exactly?
I was posing questions. See that funny little mark after those sentences? That’s called a question mark. It means it’s not a statement, but a question.
Comprende?
@vivify saidYes.
Does that include a single mother whose kid is in a gang? Does she get charged for every act of violence that teen gets into?
To be clear, I agree with you that parents should take responsibility, like in your rock-throwing example. Just how far do we take this legally? If a teen commits rape, do you jail the parents?
Maybe it's not such a bad idea. If parents we ...[text shortened]... arents legally responsible for their child's actions would greatly reduce teen crime, bullying, etc.
Yes.
How far you take it legally is up to the prosecutor, and the nature of the crime.
Yes, if it can be shown that the parents were responsible.
There is no need to 'make' parents legally responsible for their childs actions. They are already legally responsible. What is required is for the district prosecutor to do his job and apply the law that is already there in all jurisdictions and prosecute these criminals.
Your attitude is typical of American society - no accountability, no responsibility, no liability for the actions of your children.
@Rajk999 said"If parents were worried that their own kid's actions would land them in jail as well, maybe those parents would step up and do what needs to be done to make sure that child follows the law."---Vivify
Your attitude is typical of American society - no accountability, no responsibility, no liability for the actions of your children.