@earl-of-trumps saidWell it was Stanley Kubrick and he’s dead I would imagine the parents are too. Even Lolita would be a ripe old age but the point is theres nothing new under the sun.
If that really is the case, Kev, then the girl's parents and the director of the movie,
and the male actor should all be up on charges of child endangerment, and likely more.
That just is UNACCEPTABLE.
Have you not noticed that there are lot of kiddy abuse threads just lately. I’m sure the fact that there’s an election looming at the same time as Qanon becomes a thing is probably not a coincidence.
That’s not to say the posters I’ve disagreed with in this thread are in any way involved in that nonsense.
@earl-of-trumps saidIf I was going to prejudge you earl it would be in a post responding to a post of yours and given that prejudice isn’t my thing it’s not likely.
Don't prejudge me, Kev.
Two wrongs never makes it right.
@kevcvs57 saidKubrick? I'm shocked. He was one of my favs.
Well it was Stanley Kubrick and he’s dead I would imagine the parents are too. Even Lolita would be a ripe old age but the point is theres nothing new under the sun.
Have you not noticed that there are lot of kiddy abuse threads just lately. I’m sure the fact that there’s an election looming at the same time as Qanon becomes a thing is probably not a coincidence.
That’s not to say the posters I’ve disagreed with in this thread are in any way involved in that nonsense.
Anyway, I doubt any o f what Netflix did had anything to do with what Q says.
This is an issue that stands on its own merit and I can't see trying to bring in others
that *may* be guilty by association.
@earl-of-trumps saidGrow up and stop shouting.
If that really is the case, Kev, then the girl's parents and the director of the movie,
and the male actor should all be up on charges of child endangerment, and likely more.
That just is UNACCEPTABLE.
@kevcvs57 saidRight, I never saw Lolita.
You’ll need to trust me or watch the film Phil
I haven’t seen it and from the sounds of it ( which doesn’t seem to be in dispute ) I wouldn’t want to but I won’t be cancelling Netflix or manning the moral barricades over this.
I did see Taxi Driver, and Jodi Foster the actress was something like 15 or 16 then. While she acted in a sexual manner, it was no done while half-naked.
As for my question -- you saw the link I posted to, right?
Would you encourage your daughter or granddaughter to pursue a role in a film that had her doing that?
Is it an appropriate clip for a Netflix film ?
@philokalia saidNetflix rated the film TV-MA.
Right, I never saw Lolita.
I did see Taxi Driver, and Jodi Foster the actress was something like 15 or 16 then. While she acted in a sexual manner, it was no done while half-naked.
As for my question -- you saw the link I posted to, right?
Would you encourage your daughter or granddaughter to pursue a role in a film that had her doing that?
Is it an appropriate clip for a Netflix film ?
@no1marauder said(1) Oh wow, so you did watch the video and you think it is fine?
What you call "simulated sexual activity" looks a lot like "dancing" to me. True, the dance contest performed by the Cuties is a bit more explicit than most performed by children (for reasons central to the plot), but I've seen plenty of booty shaking and other moves that could be considered offensive by sensitive viewers in the children's dance contests I've observed. He ...[text shortened]... longitudinal studies."
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/violence-media-what-effects-behavior
Would you encourage your granddaughter to do something like in the scene in Cuties?
[Again, for reference]
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349?s=19
(2) This is a completely different topic...
But it would be interestign to see a guy simultaneously arguing that preteen girls dancing like hookers on stage is perfectly acceptable, but adults watching other adults act in violence is wrong...
Does "stimulated Violence" really cause "no harm"? Not according to researchers:
"A 2002 report by the US Secret Service and the US Department of Education, which examined 37 incidents of targeted school shootings and school attacks from 1974 to 2000 in this country, found that “over half of the attackers demonstrated some interest in violence through movies, video games, books, and other media.”2
People with violent inclinations showed interest in watching violent movies? Amazing.
In a 2009 Policy Statement on Media Violence, the American Academy of Pediatrics said, “Extensive research evidence indicates that media violence can contribute to aggressive behavior, desensitization to violence, nightmares, and fear of being harmed.”3
It can contribute to aggressive behavior? Sounds like you should avoid showing it to your kids.
Also sounds like quite a different situation from having children twerk and move in and overtly sexual manner.
Our concerns are for the child actors themselves, and for anyone who will be caught up in an industry where standards continue to lower. Another concern is making available explicit, sexual images of children.
There's some interestign stuff that would make a good thread about violence in entertainment.
You generally have no qualms about breaking threads off, so I will let you do the honors. But continuing to address these points in this thread seems silly.
@no1marauder saidAw, so only adults should be looking at prepubascent children who are dancing in a sexually explicit manner in revealing clothing?
Netflix rated the film TV-MA.
Would you approve of your granddaughter doing this as long as Netflix rated it TV-MA?
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@philokalia saidAgain, I neither find the dancing in the film "sexually explicit" nor think the clothing is particularly "revealing" (what exactly does it reveal).
Aw, so only adults should be looking at prepubascent children who are dancing in a sexually explicit manner in revealing clothing?
Would you approve of your granddaughter doing this as long as Netflix rated it TV-MA?
The themes in the movie are mature and Netflix's rating seems to have been made in an abundance of caution.
And in case you forgot, you asked if the film was appropriate for Netflix. The answer is it surely is if Netflix makes it so it is available for mature audiences only; parents can block films rated TV-MA and even below from minors.
@Philokalia Aw, so only adults should be looking at prepubascent children who are dancing in a sexually explicit manner in revealing clothing?
<smile> 'Zactly!
We would not want children to watch this and learn something wrongful, now.
@no1marauder saidSo you see nothing wrong with it, and you would have encouraged your granddaughter to take on such a role if she was given the opportunity, yes?
Again, I neither find the dancing in the film "sexually explicit" nor think the clothing is particularly "revealing" (what exactly does it reveal).
The themes in the movie are mature and Netflix's rating seems to have been made in an abundance of caution.
And in case you forgot, you asked if the film was appropriate for Netflix. The answer is it surely is if Netflix ...[text shortened]... available for mature audiences only; parents can block films rated TV-MA and even below from minors.
@philokalia saidI suggest you stop trying to personalize the matter. The issue isn't what I personally do or don't approve of but whether what was in the film was "child abuse" ( see the title of the thread) or even "child pornography" as some here have claimed. The answer to those questions are clearly "no".
So you see nothing wrong with it, and you would have encouraged your granddaughter to take on such a role if she was given the opportunity, yes?
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@no1marauder saidBecause your personal choice on this is actually relevant.
I suggest you stop trying to personalize the matter. The issue isn't what I personally do or don't approve of but whether what was in the film was "child abuse" ( see the title of the thread) or even "child pornography" as some here have claimed. The answer to those questions are clearly "no".
If you would not encourage your granddaughter to do this, it's because you believe these dances in these clothes were overtly sexual and questionable.
Ultimately, you are just arguing now that sexualized dances by scantily clad children should be available for adults as long as they are TV-MA. And you admit taht certainly wouldn't want YOUR granddaughter involved.
@no1marauder saidThis. Exactly this.
Again, I neither find the dancing in the film "sexually explicit" nor think the clothing is particularly "revealing" (what exactly does it reveal).
The themes in the movie are mature and Netflix's rating seems to have been made in an abundance of caution.
And in case you forgot, you asked if the film was appropriate for Netflix. The answer is it surely is if Netflix ...[text shortened]... available for mature audiences only; parents can block films rated TV-MA and even below from minors.
People whining about kids dancing is completely absurd. Sexualized my arse.
It’s been pointed out multiple times in this thread: Cuties is not about sexualizing children, it’s about children copying what they see online.
It’s been pointed out multiple times in this this thread: there are whole scalas of films which show teen and pre-teen sexualized behaviour. And in none of the cases does it classify as child pornography.
Indeed, if it was, then there would have been arrests.
Now, to take this one step further: are 8 year olds allowed to take salsa lessons?
What about ballet? Ohhhh... there’s barely dressed kids prancing around, holding each other, stretching those legs...
What about kids doing rock and roll dancing?
11 year olds playing La Bamba (a kissing game to the song)?
None of this is pornographic, with one exception: if the viewer is turned on by it.
And that is the viewer’s fetish.
The images and dances aren’t created with the goal of arousing the viewer (the definition of pornographic). So any pornographic content in it is placed there by the viewer. And by the viewer alone.
If a couple of 10 year olds are swimming naked at the beach. That’s a couple of ten year olds swimming naked at a beach.
Any other content added to it, is viewer discretion. And if you see a couple of naked 10 year olds swimming at a beach and you think it’s pornographic, you have serious issues.
A natural response would be:
- have they forgotten their bathing suits?
- look at them go, not a care in the world!
- oh. Really? I was eating some chips and didn’t even notice kids playing. Kids are irritating and I tend to automatically ignore them.
@shavixmir said... and about how what they see online is completely inappropriate, and their imitation of it is disturbing.
People whining about kids dancing is completely absurd. Sexualized my arse.
It’s been pointed out multiple times in this thread: Cuties is not about sexualizing children, it’s about children copying what they see online.
But here is the thing: the simulation of violence does not result in people dead.
The simulation of sexuality does result in arousing people and it being used for questionable purposes -- these purposes are far less questionable when it is an adult watching an adult, but is far more questionable when it is an adult watching a prepubascent girl in a professional production.
... Would you encourage a young female relative to dance like this in a production for money?
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349?s=19