@shavixmir saidWhile there would be some more conservative Americans and nearly every Korean would say that this is not appropriate for their culture, I do not think anyone is asking to impose these rules upon your culture, nor is anyone asking for any coincidental scene like this to be removed from Netflix.
If a couple of 10 year olds are swimming naked at the beach. That’s a couple of ten year olds swimming naked at a beach.
It's not relevant.
@philokalia saidNo, it isn't "relevant" at all. Whether I think it's appropriate or not has no bearing on whether it is "child abuse" or "child pornography". It isn't.
Because your personal choice on this is actually relevant.
If you would not encourage your granddaughter to do this, it's because you believe these dances in these clothes were overtly sexual and questionable.
Ultimately, you are just arguing now that sexualized dances by scantily clad children should be available for adults as long as they are TV-MA. And you admit taht certainly wouldn't want YOUR granddaughter involved.
And I haven't "admitted" anything.
@philokalia saidPhilo: But here is the thing: the simulation of violence does not result in people dead.
... and about how what they see online is completely inappropriate, and their imitation of it is disturbing.
But here is the thing: the simulation of violence does not result in people dead.
The simulation of sexuality does result in arousing people and it being used for questionable purposes -- these purposes are far less questionable when it is an adult wa ...[text shortened]... is in a production for money?
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349?s=19
It's quite remarkable that you can stubbornly stomp you feet and hold your breath until you turn blue in the face of massive evidence to the contrary as already produced.
@philokalia saidDid it arouse you?
... and about how what they see online is completely inappropriate, and their imitation of it is disturbing.
But here is the thing: the simulation of violence does not result in people dead.
The simulation of sexuality does result in arousing people and it being used for questionable purposes -- these purposes are far less questionable when it is an adult wa ...[text shortened]... is in a production for money?
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349?s=19
What does that tell you?
@no1marauder saidStart the thread instead of derailing this one.
Philo: But here is the thing: the simulation of violence does not result in people dead.
It's quite remarkable that you can stubbornly stomp you feet and hold your breath until you turn blue in the face of massive evidence to the contrary as already produced.
I do not care enough about your talking point to start a thread for it.
@no1marauder saidYou refuse to comment on it because you understand my analysis is spot on.
No, it isn't "relevant" at all. Whether I think it's appropriate or not has no bearing on whether it is "child abuse" or "child pornography". It isn't.
And I haven't "admitted" anything.
@shavixmir saidLOL, no, it disgusted me, because it was children wearing the exact clothes and doing the exact dances of adults whose aim is to arouse men.
Did it arouse you?
What does that tell you?
If your best argument is a counter-accusation of your opponent being a pervert, you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
@philokalia saidThen stop lying about it in this one.
Start the thread instead of derailing this one.
I do not care enough about your talking point to start a thread for it.
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@philokalia saidLMAO!
You refuse to comment on it because you understand my analysis is spot on.
Whatever keeps you awake at night.
I've already commented on "it" (presumably the dance contest scene in the movie) at length. Just last page I said:
"Again, I neither find the dancing in the film "sexually explicit" nor think the clothing is particularly "revealing" (what exactly does it reveal)."
And before that:
"What you call "simulated sexual activity" looks a lot like "dancing" to me. True, the dance contest performed by the Cuties is a bit more explicit than most performed by children (for reasons central to the plot), but I've seen plenty of booty shaking and other moves that could be considered offensive by sensitive viewers in the children's dance contests I've observed."
@no1marauder saidSo you would have no problem with your granddaughter doing it, then, right?
"What you call "simulated sexual activity" looks a lot like "dancing" to me. True, the dance contest performed by the Cuties is a bit more explicit than most performed by children (for reasons central to the plot), but I've seen plenty of booty shaking and other moves that could be considered offensive by sensitive viewers in the children's dance contests I've observed."
Would you suggest that this scene alone is also not TV-MA?
@philokalia saidThe Lifetime network apparently had a show featuring young dancers who occasionally performed similar routines:
So you would have no problem with your granddaughter doing it, then, right?
Would you suggest that this scene alone is also not TV-MA?
"And don’t get me started on the girls’ trashy costumes and tarted-up makeup. Many of the numbers choreographed by Miller are also way too mature for the girls; one even dealt with such dark issues as child abduction and abuse."
https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2011/09/anne_reeves_horrible_dance_mom.html
Check out the photo; the girls' costumes are more revealing than the dance contest ones in Cuties.
The show was available on cable TV; it was not restricted to mature audiences.
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@no1marauder saidExcellent -- it shouldn't be an issue for you finding some material on it that is equally devastating or worse than what I linked to.
The Lifetime network apparently had a show featuring young dancers who occasionally performed similar routines:
"And don’t get me started on the girls’ trashy costumes and tarted-up makeup. Many of the numbers choreographed by Miller are also way too mature for the girls; one even dealt with such dark issues as child abduction and abuse."
https://www.pennlive.com/mi ...[text shortened]... st ones in Cuties.
The show was available on cable TV; it was not restricted to mature audiences.
Until I see it, I doubt it; and if I see it, you will only succeed in convincing me that there is another show that needs to be named & shamed.
EDIT: Plus you never answered the question.
@earl-of-trumps saidHe’s still one of mine. It’s an interesting film from the point of view that at different times in the story the status of victim gets claimed by all of the central characters, but in reality Lolita is the victim of an insecure self obsessed mother and at least two predatory paedophilic middle aged men.
Kubrick? I'm shocked. He was one of my favs.
Anyway, I doubt any o f what Netflix did had anything to do with what Q says.
This is an issue that stands on its own merit and I can't see trying to bring in others
that *may* be guilty by association.
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@philokalia saidUtter bollocks.
Simulated violence is completely fake, and thus there is no real harm.
Simulated sexuality actually communicates real sexuality, unlike simulated violence, and thus has an inherent harm when we are communicating simulated sexuality of minors.