so, hamas is in power in palestine - hurray for democracy! in my youth i read quite a bit of leon uris and so felt great sympathy for the plight of the jews. in more recent times, i have kept abreast of the situation in palestine and found myself becoming more and more sympathetic to the plight of the palestinians - not the one's that strap bombs to themselves, mind you, although that sort of activity shows the level of frustration and rage that the palestinians must feel.. i'de be pissed too if england told me that my home was now another person's country - especially if that other country started doing much better for itself than i had been able to - through lots of foreign help. in short, what's to be done? what sort of workable solution is it even realistic to talk about? and is a workable solution going to be a fair one? can israel keep demolishing houses, assasinating palestinian leaders and ignoring u.n. mandates and still be considered "the good guys?"
Originally posted by nomindIt is really, in the last analysis, a question of the pot calling the kettle black.
so, hamas is in power in palestine - hurray for democracy! in my youth i read quite a bit of leon uris and so felt great sympathy for the plight of the jews. in more recent times, i have kept abreast of the situation in palestine and found myself becoming more and more sympathetic to the plight of the palestinians - not the one's that strap bombs to themsel ng palestinian leaders and ignoring u.n. mandates and still be considered "the good guys?"
The unfortunate thing is that both these warring semitic factions were responsible for infecting the imagination of mankind ganerally with the idea of a vindictive tyrant-style 'Almighty Being' who would destroy 'unbelievers; both regarding themselves as the 'chosen people'.
In the event both have provided examples of the anciant Greek maxim regarding hubris and nemesis.
Originally posted by NargagunaThat's just nonsense.
It is really, in the last analysis, a question of the pot calling the kettle black.
The unfortunate thing is that both these warring semitic factions were responsible for infecting the imagination of mankind ganerally with the idea of a vindictive tyrant-style 'Almighty Being' who would destroy 'unbelievers; both regarding themselves as the 'chosen peo ...[text shortened]... event both have provided examples of the anciant Greek maxim regarding hubris and nemesis.
While the israelis are all one religion (or as close to it as you can get), the Palestinians aren't.
Originally posted by RedmikeYour Glaswegian bolshie mindset is once again leading you astray.
That's just nonsense.
While the israelis are all one religion (or as close to it as you can get), the Palestinians aren't.
Modern Israel is mainly a secular society, in practice, with a few 'orthodox' fanatics: Palestine on the other hand is mainly inhabited by peasants who are under the sway of fanatical Muslims.
Originally posted by NargagunaYou really have no idea.
Your Glaswegian bolshie mindset is once again leading you astray.
Modern Israel is mainly a secular society, in practice, with a few 'orthodox' fanatics: Palestine on the other hand is mainly inhabited by peasants who are under the sway of fanatical Muslims.
Israel is by no means a secular state. Amongst other things, only people of one faith are accepted as immigrants.
On the other hand, something like 14% of all Arabs living in israel are christians, of various flavours.
Originally posted by RedmikeQFT!
You really have no idea.
Israel is by no means a secular state. Amongst other things, only people of one faith are accepted as immigrants.
On the other hand, something like 14% of all Arabs living in israel are christians, of various flavours.
Not to mention the fact that somalian jews aren't given the time of day when they seek asylum.
Way to f0ck your own people guys... talk about double standards.
There seems to be a certain type of person, of which there are many examples in these forums, who seem to think that the world is a very simple place.
This isn't about left-wing or right-wing, religious or atheist or any other such distinction - it seems to transend this (to an extent at least).
These folks view everything as black and white - the good guys are always the good guys (and probably wear white hats) and the bad guys are all bad guys, and will always be bad guys.
They cannot see anything sort of detail, especially within their narrow view of the 'bad guys'.
So, you get people who can't/won't understand that things which happened in Kurdish-controlled Iraq after the 1st Gulf War weren't under the control of Saddam.
They cannot see that Saddam used to be a good guy, when he fought against the scary mullahs in Iran. (why did we make these countries have such similar names - it makes keeping up tricky for some).
You get people who simply see Palestinian=Arab=Muslim=suicide-bomber=Al-Queda, who can't accept that not all Palestinians are even Muslims.
I find it easy, in the short term, to debate with these people, because they usually spout such nonsense that it is dead easy to pick up where they simply don't understand.
However, as they continue to produce more and more comic-book analyses of world events, and common sense continues to blow away their views, they just keep coming back.
Either they really don't get it, or maybe anyone who challenges their simplistic view of the world is a 'bad guy', so has to be ignored.
Originally posted by RedmikeThis deserves a thread of its own.
There seems to be a certain type of person, of which there are many examples in these forums, who seem to think that the world is a very simple place.
This isn't about left-wing or right-wing, religious or atheist or any other such distinction - it seems to transend this (to an extent at least).
These folks view everything as black and white - the good ...[text shortened]... o challenges their simplistic view of the world is a 'bad guy', so has to be ignored.
Originally posted by TetsujinAnother of your foul-mouthed postings. So why should the Israelis take in every asylum seeker? I gather that Pakistan does not particularly welcome those from Afghanistan.
QFT!
Not to mention the fact that somalian jews aren't given the time of day when they seek asylum.
Way to f0ck your own people guys... talk about double standards.
Originally posted by NargagunaThere's this new thing after being invented. Its called research. You should try it some time, you might just like it...
Never heard of that 'law'. Do you mean the law of diminishing returns?
If so what has it to do with the case under discussion?
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/int16.htm
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I have pretty much exluded myself from the Israel/Palestine debate because of my impoverished knowledge of the history. I agree with Redmike on that score. If I post things as I continue to study, I am happy to be refuted. (After my other posts on these threads, do I even need to say that I am not anti-Muslim? Well, I guess I just did anyway.)
Since the issue of “return” for Jews has been raised, I did a bit of searching on that issue, and found, so far, the following—
Is this the group that Israel has been keeping at bay regarding immigration? From another article, it seems they staged a hunger strike last year in protest over delays.
http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-01/17/article08.shtml
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah—
Aliyah is an important Jewish cultural concept and a fundamental concept of Zionism that is enshrined in Israel's Law of Return, which permits any Jew the legal right to assisted immigration and settlement in Israel, as well as automatic Israeli citizenship.
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return (A link to the complete text of the law can be found here as well.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands