@Soothfast saidThis is how I know you people are Muslims because no Christian makes such ridiculous excuses for Islamic extremism, neither do atheists who condemn Islamic atrocities all over the world.
That's right. That's the way it works. Europe has a population of over 744 million. This hysterical nonsense that Muslims are going to take over the continent someday and behead all the infidels is utter rubbish. They'll assimilate, like the millions of Turks in Germany who arrived a couple generations ago.
You can quit screaming and swinging your brooms, sh76 and Rajk999, and climb down from your chairs. It's just a mouse.
There is a long list of Islamic atrocities being committed right now and this is easy to pull up on Google. Let me respond specifically to your point that .. ... nonsense that Muslims are going to take over the continent someday and behead all the infidels is utter rubbish. They'll assimilate,
In the Democratic Republic of Congo, a typically Christian country, extremists Muslims, less than 10% of the population have taken over and are beheading Christians as we speak. Smart people should take note. Same story in Yemen, Sudan and in Somalia. They take over and persecute, rape or kill all dissidents, and stave them to death by denying them essential foodstuff. In the UK, the Muslim population is about 6% and already they have occupied senior and leadership positions in governance. Google "UK cities with Muslim Mayors'. There are dozens.
They do not assimilate. They change the country they are in once they have supporters, [their own kind] in positions of authority. Here are a few examples and there are many more:
- they insist on having their own Sharia Court system.
- they have their own schools in which Islam is taught, which is fine, but they insist that in Christian school there is religious education where kids are sent to their schools to learn the doctrine, ways and culture of Islam. Muslims kids do not go to learn about Christianity.
- they complain of Christians eating food in front of them during Ramadhan causing havoc in offices.
- they have call to prayer at 5 am in the morning, waking up the entire neighbourhood with their noise.
- they just drop down and pray anywhere they please, blocking roads etc
@AThousandYoung saidWhen that happens, I'll breathe a sigh of relief and concede.
Muslims will undergo a similar culture shift over about two generations as their children and grandchildren assimilate.
Until that happens, I won't rely on it.
@Soothfast saidYeah, I'm more concerned about Islamofascism than Christofacism.
I'd worry a lot less about Sharia law being forced down your throat in the US or Europe, and a lot more about the Christo-fascists in Washington who every day are working to establish the Fourth Reich, and then, later on, the Western equivalent of the Taliban. Take a gander at Project 2025 for full details.
@sh76 said" I am extremely concerned about Islamic radicals infiltrating western civilization and eventually stripping it of small-l "liberal" values."
Most Christians either don't take the Biblical prescriptions for violence literally or interpret them out of existence or say they were superseded by the NT.
Muslims, on the other hand, by and large, take the Quran's violent imperatives damned seriously.
Therein lies the difference.
In any case, I have nothing against any individual Muslim and certainly I'm not in favor ...[text shortened]... ng it of small-l "liberal" values.
Anyone who doesn't share that concern is living in la-la-land.
its has become apparent liberals are unable to follow their thinking to an eventual outcome.
Their number one goal is to be against anything conservative. They make strange bedfellows along the way.
@Soothfast saiddefend this...
You could read some books. They'll help you understand the complex interconnectedness of geopolitical events and social forces. Because yes, the great bulk of Islamic radicalism can be traced to Israel, from its establishment by imperial planners after World War 2 to its present-day status as a US client state. Sometimes the connection is indirect, being maybe the second or third domino in the chain. You'll need to dust off your thinking cap, I'm afraid.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/hundred-more-christians-massacred-islamists-nigeria-ongoing-genocide/
@AThousandYoung saidYes, and sometimes that panic is justified...
There’s always a new population of immigrants to panic about.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidThere's no question that the common enemy doctrine ("we both hate white Christendom" ) has drawn the political Left and the Islamists together in ways that defy conventional co-purposes.
" I am extremely concerned about Islamic radicals infiltrating western civilization and eventually stripping it of small-l "liberal" values."
its has become apparent liberals are unable to follow their thinking to an eventual outcome.
Their number one goal is to be against anything conservative. They make strange bedfellows along the way.
This is, of course, a recurring theme in history. We joined with the USSR to defeat Germany and I can't imagine Germany and England would have gotten along so nicely outside of the context of fighting Napoleon.
The main problem is that we've gotten so antagonistic towards each other in this country, that many people will gladly join cause with foreign enemies if those enemies are also the enemies of your domestic political opponents.
It's sad, but also an inevitable byproduct of the the social media bubbles we create and ensconce ourselves in.
@sh76 saidI was against Israel for decades before it was cool! 😆
There's no question that the common enemy doctrine ("we both hate white Christendom" ) has drawn the political Left and the Islamists together in ways that defy conventional co-purposes.
This is, of course, a recurring theme in history. We joined with the USSR to defeat Germany and I can't imagine Germany and England would have gotten along so nicely outside of the context of ...[text shortened]... ut also an inevitable byproduct of the the social media bubbles we create and ensconce ourselves in.
And I'm not against Israel because of Muslims. Israel could be oppressing Hindus and it would not matter to me.
Israelis WILL NOT let Palestinians vote in Israel and WILL NOT let them form their own country. No, no. That's a fact. You don't get to dispute that.
Regardless of ANYTHING that has EVER happened to ANYBODY since the beginning of time: nobody gets to do that. Nobody. There is no excuse. There can never be an excuse - not today, not in the past, not tomorrow. N-E-V-E-R.
My position will never change. Until then, anything is morally acceptable against Israel, up to and including exterminating the entire nation with nuclear weaponry if that is the last option left. Now, we all hope and pray it never gets to that.
But on human rights, I am utterly implacable. Israel must give in. Or Israel must be destroyed. Only two options - Israel gets to choose. Because that is Justice, and Justice is more important that Israelis or Palestinians or Survival or Religion.
Justice is All. Justice is God. It's just like that.
The End. 😆
@spruce112358 said===Until then, anything is morally acceptable against Israel, up to and including exterminating the entire nation with nuclear weaponry if that is the last option left. ===
I was against Israel for decades before it was cool! 😆
And I'm not against Israel because of Muslims. Israel could be oppressing Hindus and it would not matter to me.
Israelis WILL NOT let Palestinians vote in Israel and WILL NOT let them form their own country. No, no. That's a fact. You don't get to dispute that.
Regardless of ANYTHING that has EVER hap ...[text shortened]... ians or Survival or Religion.
Justice is All. Justice is God. It's just like that.
The End. 😆
You're insane.
@sh76 saidWas it justified when the Irish came over? They were Popists, anarchists and alcoholic gamblers!
Yes, and sometimes that panic is justified...
Jews? Not Christian. Christ killers who poison wells and hire immigrants!
How about the Italians? Popists who brought the Mafia with them!
Chinese? Remember the Chinese Exclusion Act?
Mexicans? Trump is focused on them now.
Hindu Thugees in London strangling people?
When was this xenophobic nativism justified?
@spruce112358 saidSo ... you're basically cool with what happened on Oct 7th? Am I getting this right?
anything is morally acceptable against Israel, up to and including exterminating the entire nation with nuclear weaponry if that is the last option left.
Because that is nuts.
@sh76 saidIsraelis are insane. They should stop. 😆
===Until then, anything is morally acceptable against Israel, up to and including exterminating the entire nation with nuclear weaponry if that is the last option left. ===
You're insane.
All Israel has to do is give people their rights. Then the whole conflict ends.
One has to be very firm on the concept of justice otherwise it will disappear from humanity. And THEN the resulting world is not worth living in for any of us. 😆
@Sleepyguy saidOf course not. The whole situation is regrettable. 😆
So ... you're basically cool with what happened on Oct 7th? Am I getting this right?
Because that is nuts.
I'm talking about who needs to do what to fix it, and I've been very clear about that. ISRAEL must grant Palestinians representation in the Knesset OR let them form their own country.
This is not negotiable because we are talking about the rights all humans enjoy. A state that denies people their rights is not legitimate and may, at the option of any other group or state, be dismantled.
Regime change in Israel is a foregone conclusion unless they suddenly change. Which they appear unlikely to do. 😆