@no1marauder saidDoes the operation change the sex of the patient?
There's been sex change operations performed since at least the 1950s. They are available at many major hospitals in the US.https://www.mountsinai.org/locations/center-transgender-medicine-surgery/care/surgery/male-to-female
No asterisks or provisos please.
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@AverageJoe1 saidGFY. I gave you my position many times; sports organizations should decide who gets to play in their competitions.
“….transgender girls and women, even those who have had hormone treatments that significantly reduce the very things AJ mentions, “””???? Holy smokes marauder, you casually throw the phrase “significantly reduces” their athletic abilities.
Holy Smokes. Writing like a fairy. You are going to tell us what significant is, and tell us who makes such decisions before t ...[text shortened]... government.
Ask my Marauder what he thinks,. And ask him to answer these questions thank you.
You're the one who wants the government involved.
@AverageJoe1 saidYes, if it changes their external genitalia.
Does the operation change the sex of the patient?
No asterisks or provisos please.
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@no1marauder saidI almost missed the little jewel of a nugget.
The argument you and others have been making is that it is "unfair" to have transgender girls and women, even those who have had hormone treatments that significantly reduce the very things AJ mentions, compete against other female athletes because the latter will have no chance against them. And that, therefore, politicians must impose eligibility rules on sports organiz ...[text shortened]... conservative principles.
Let the sports organizations decide as they always have is my position.
He says above that “ transgender girls and women compete against other female athletes“
Notice how marauder slips in the phtase ‘other female athletes’ . Instead of saying, other transgender girls and women. He is likening the transgender girls and women to females!!! … which they are “ effing not.!
You are suckers if you fall for his smoke and mirror tricks on the forum. This one is as classic as they get.
@AverageJoe1 saidThat's just your opinion, nothing more.
I almost missed the little jewel of a nugget.
He says above that “ transgender girls and women compete against other female athletes“
Notice how marauder slips in the phtase ‘other female athletes’ . Instead of saying, other transgender girls and women. He is likening the transgender girls and women to females!!! … which they are “ effing not.!
You are ...[text shortened]... uckers if you fall for his smoke and mirror tricks on the forum. This one is as classic as they get.
@no1marauder saidI agree that you have said that many many times. But you say that in answer to questions that are not about those organizations. The questions are always about what we personally think. How boring would the forum be if all we did was throw around the ideas of what organizations and government and politicians think …..we want to know what each other thinks.
GFY. I gave you my position many times; sports organizations should decide who gets to play in their competitions.
You're the one who wants the government involved.
@no1marauder saidIt is a fact, you wrote it, turkey. You said that transgender girls and women compete with ‘other’ females. You actually said that. You are saying that they are all equal in the way of their identities.
That's just your opinion, nothing more.
Do you still say that?
@AverageJoe1 saidI answered that, too, hypothetically imagining I was in a governing position of such a sports organization.
I agree that you have said that many many times. But you say that in answer to questions that are not about those organizations. The questions are always about what we personally think. How boring would the forum be if all we did was throw around the ideas of what organizations and government and politicians think …..we want to know what each other thinks.
@no1marauder saidMy god. You are saying that if Arnold Schwarzenegger had everything between his legs removed, he would be a female. That is what you are saying. Are you saying that. I am saying that you say that.
Yes, if it changes their external genitalia.
@no1marauder saidSo you are saying that if you were on the board of the organization that you would be part of the decision made by the organization to allow men to join girls. You would be speaking as an officer.
I answered that, too, hypothetically imagining I was in a governing position of such a sports organization.
I hereby, reiterate, we are asking you what you personally think, which gets to the family of some man whose daughter is being forced to race against a boy with big hands. I have been on a board before, many of them, and have voted in favor of something that I knew would be better for the purpose for which it’s attended, but something which I did not personally agree with. Get a grip and debate properly, please
@AverageJoe1 saidI said it and meant it.
It is a fact, you wrote it, turkey. You said that transgender girls and women compete with ‘other’ females. You actually said that. You are saying that they are all equal in the way of their identities.
Do you still say that?
Transgender girls and women are girls and women.
@AverageJoe1 saidNo, that's not what I'm saying and you really need to read up on what a sex change operations does.
My god. You are saying that if Arnold Schwarzenegger had everything between his legs removed, he would be a female. That is what you are saying. Are you saying that. I am saying that you say that.
@AverageJoe1 saidI think many people on this site is sick and tired of hearing what you think. I know I am.
I agree that you have said that many many times. But you say that in answer to questions that are not about those organizations. The questions are always about what we personally think. How boring would the forum be if all we did was throw around the ideas of what organizations and government and politicians think …..we want to know what each other thinks.
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@no1marauder saidGive us clear evidence of that, this is all new to me since I’ve been on the Forum. I will accept a link in this case.
I said it and meant it.
Transgender girls and women are girls and women.
Everyone following this, everyone or anyone chime in that you think he is correct that a transgender woman or girl is a 100% female without qualifications.
Please. I am all alone here. No one is a sick and tired of viewing this as I am.