@AThousandYoung saidBut you want to change the Constitution. One is more reprehensible than the other.
He identifies being Anglo with being American and he is not intellectually honest enough or even intelligent enough to change anything.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThese are just ignorant, bigoted stereotypes like saying all Irish are drunks.
Bringing their cultures here? Should i open a jihab factry, make a lot of money, hire contractors to build Minarets? They torture animals in their sacrificial ceremonies. Add some more. They take less than one bath a day.
Harmful traditional practices. Honor killings. Wmen are lesser beings.
. According to global human rights organizations SVRI, these include pr ...[text shortened]... ain't. You gonna say it ain't?
And if I state FACT, it ain't bigotry, so you are wrong once more.
In this country, you bitch mostly about Muslims who are progressive and completely reject such ideas like Reps. Omar and Tlaib.
@no1marauder saidNot a proper comparison at all. Actually, it says what it says. KILL a daughter that simply flirts with a boy???? She becomes 'westernized', Marauder? Does that not imply that the Arab basterd planned to 'Easternize' our country.???? Must I defeat you with every argument??
These are just ignorant, bigoted stereotypes like saying all Irish are drunks.
The Murder of Noor Almaleki (2009): A father in Arizona intentionally ran over his 20-year-old daughter with his Jeep because he believed she had become too "Westernized" and disapproved of her dating choices.
There are more, but make it easy on yourself....say, Joe is correct.
@AverageJoe1 saidJoe is an ignorant bigot who believes in racist stereotypes because he is constantly burying himself in extreme right wing propaganda sources who hate all non-Westerners.
Not a proper comparison at all. Actually, it says what it says. KILL a daughter that simply flirts with a boy???? She becomes 'westernized', Marauder? Does that not imply that the Arab basterd planned to 'Easternize' our country.???? Must I defeat you with every argument??
The Murder of Noor Almaleki (2009): A father in Arizona intentionally ran over his 20-year-ol ...[text shortened]... roved of her dating choices.
There are more, but make it easy on yourself....say, Joe is correct.
That the vast majority of Muslims worldwide and an even higher percentage in the US reject such ideas is not something that seems to penetrate your empty head even while you complain that specific prominent Muslims figures in the US like Mamdani are too "liberal" or even "communist". Holding two completely opposite stereotypes like this is a classic example of "cognitive dissonance" something you are far too uneducated to even understand.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThere are crimes committed all the time in the US for outrageously backward ideas. Here a white man killed a white woman "to keep her from having sex with Black men". https://www.bet.com/article/emfipx/murderer-says-he-killed-over-interracial-relationships
Not a proper comparison at all. Actually, it says what it says. KILL a daughter that simply flirts with a boy???? She becomes 'westernized', Marauder? Does that not imply that the Arab basterd planned to 'Easternize' our country.???? Must I defeat you with every argument??
The Murder of Noor Almaleki (2009): A father in Arizona intentionally ran over his 20-year-ol ...[text shortened]... roved of her dating choices.
There are more, but make it easy on yourself....say, Joe is correct.
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@no1marauder saidI glossed over this response in three seconds, and realized he totally ignored that people kill their daughters for flirting with boys.
Joe is an ignorant bigot who believes in racist stereotypes because he is constantly burying himself in extreme right wing propaganda sources who hate all non-Westerners.
That the vast majority of Muslims worldwide and an even higher percentage in the US reject such ideas is not something that seems to penetrate your empty head even while you complain that specific pro ...[text shortened]... a classic example of "cognitive dissonance" something you are far too uneducated to even understand.
He totally ignored it. He raved on like Mamdani or Sunhouse do.
Let’s give him another chance to respond like an adult to the man that killed his daughter for flirting with the boy. Oh, I already said that three times. But he ignored it let’s give him another chance. Jesus what a debater he is.
And saying ‘ we do it too’ is like school yard crap.
@no1marauder saidUhhhh, one is a cultural activity approved in all eastern courts, where this is practiced. The killing in the United States by an abberant criminal is not an approved cultural activity.
There are crimes committed all the time in the US for outrageously backward ideas. Here a white man killed a white woman "to keep her from having sex with Black men". https://www.bet.com/article/emfipx/murderer-says-he-killed-over-interracial-relationships
Go take a bath
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@AverageJoe1 saidName one country where killing a girl for flirting with boys is not a criminal offense.
Uhhhh, one is a cultural activity approved in all eastern courts, where this is practiced. The killing in the United States by an abberant criminal is not an approved cultural activity.
Go take a bath
And even in the highly unlikely event you can, that says nothing about Muslim immigrants to the US.
Stop bandying about the word "culture" when it's painfully obvious you haven't the slightest clue what it means.
@no1marauder saidYou are pretending not to know what is going on in Muslim countries. Almost all Islamic states have an outward appearance of condemnation, but behind the scenes women are abused and beaten, raped & beheaded, for not adhering to their extreme cultural practices pertaining to relationships and marriage.
Name one country where killing a girl for flirting with boys is not a criminal offense.
And even in the highly unlikely event you can, that says nothing about Muslim immigrants to the US.
Stop bandying about the word "culture" when it's painfully obvious you haven't the slightest clue what it means.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30400690
In a country fighting to preserve patriarchal and tribal traditions, Pakistan's women can face brutality - and even death - if they fall in love with the wrong person.
Arifa, 25, dared to stand up to her family, running away with the man she fell in love with and secretly marrying him. The following day in a busy street in Karachi, Pakistan's most populous city, her male family members surrounded the newlyweds and, at gunpoint, dragged Arifa away. It was five days before her husband, Abdul Malik, heard any news of his wife.
"I got a message that she had been murdered. That was the most difficult day of my life," he tells me, holding back the tears. "After great difficulty I managed to establish that my wife was alive and had been hidden somewhere." Fearing for his life, Mr Malik has lived in hiding for three months.
"In Pakistan, love is a big sin. Centuries have passed, the world has made so much progress - men have reached the heavens. But our men are still following age-old customs and traditions from the dark ages," he explains.
It is these traditions and customs - which focus on denying women freedom - that have growing acceptance in Pakistan and are encouraged by hard-line religious scholars.
'Honour crimes'
The rule of law is often ignored.
This is a world where a woman has few rights in practice - she is the property of her family until she marries. Then ownership passes to her husband's family, with the risk of death if she brings dishonour to the family.
This year alone, more than 1,000 women have been murdered for so-called honour crimes - and these are just the ones of whom the authorities are aware.
In May, the case of the young, pregnant woman Farzana Parveen shocked the world. She was stoned to death by her family for marrying the man she was in love with, rather than the man they had chosen for her.
Pakistani human rights activists hold placards during a protest in Islamabad on May 29, 2014 against the killing of pregnant woman Farzana Parveen was beaten to death with bricks by members of her own family for marrying a man of her own choice in Lahore. What was most shocking was that it happened outside Lahore's high court, in front of policemen and passers-by.
In November, following worldwide media attention, Ms Parveen's father, brother, cousin and former fiance were all found guilty of murder and given the death sentence, while another brother got 10 years in jail. But more often than not, those who commit these brutal acts against women are never charged, protected by tribal laws.
Some hard-line religious scholars believe that only through the killing of an offending family member - usually a woman - can honour be restored to the rest of the family and tribe.
The most surprising point is that few people in Pakistan nowadays are willing to challenge these tribal traditions and customs. In fact, according to a recent survey from the Pew Research Centre, external, an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis support the full implementation of Sharia - Islam's legal system.
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Muslims are a bunch of sick barbaric people and the countries will do well to keep them out, and/or impose heavy restrictions on their cultural practices. Take example from Poland, China and Japan.
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@Rajk999 saidAJ claimed killing of girls for flirting with boys was a "cultural activity protected in all eastern courts", you quote a 12 year old article where a married woman was killed by her relatives for engaging in adultery - with all involved getting the death penalty.
You are pretending not to know what is going on in Muslim countries. Almost all Islamic states have an outward appearance of condemnation, but behind the scenes women are abused and beaten, raped & beheaded, for not adhering to their extreme cultural practices pertaining to relationships and marriage.
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https://www.bbc.com/n ...[text shortened]... pose heavy restrictions on their cultural practices. Take example from Poland, China and Japan.[/b]
Really this foolish bigotry has got to stop; extreme religious beliefs held by a tiny minority of Muslims is an imbecilic reason to try to justify restrictions on immigration of some of the 2 billion Muslims on Earth. If they are willing to follow our laws and fulfill the legal requirements of immigration, they should be welcomed like members of any other religion.
To quote Eric Boehm's article in Reason on declining tourism to the US:
"Successful, prosperous societies are the ones that attract more people-both as immigrants and tourists."
@no1marauder saidYou did not read the article. It said there were thousands ... THOUSANDS of such cases... and that is Pakistan only. There are 52 Islamic states and some of them are worse than Pakistan.
AJ claimed killing of girls for flirting with boys was a "cultural activity protected in all eastern courts", you quote a 12 year old article where a married woman was killed by her relatives for engaging in adultery - with all involved getting the death penalty.
Really this foolish bigotry has got to stop; extreme religious beliefs held by a tiny minority of Muslims i ...[text shortened]... essful, prosperous societies are the ones that attract more people-both as immigrants and tourists."
Eric Boehm is C ...T. and so are you if you listen to that nonsense. The countries that are currently taking in Muslims on a large scale are all experiencing some severe criminal activity, rapes, grooming gangs. Itrs all over Europe. Conversely the countries that resist Islam like Poland, Japan China and some others are successful, prosperous low crime countries .... You damn fool.
@no1marauder saidYou are shifting the conversation from culture to criminal law, while I am trying to talk about whether immigration can bring cultural norms that conflict with American values.
Name one country where killing a girl for flirting with boys is not a criminal offense.
And even in the highly unlikely event you can, that says nothing about Muslim immigrants to the US.
Stop bandying about the word "culture" when it's painfully obvious you haven't the slightest clue what it means.
Jesus. You are no debater. Criminal?
I’m not saying every immigrant brings harmful values, and I’m certainly not saying an entire culture can be defined by its worst practices. My point is that some societies do normalize practicess that Americans overwhelmingly reject, like your (your) so-called ‘honor killings,’ female genital mutilation, forced or child marriage, or cruelty to animals. Whether those acts are already crimes isn’t my point. My concern is whether we should be vigilant about preventing those those attitudes and practices from taking root here. America has a culture based on individual rights and equality before the law, and I think newcomers should be expected to embrace those principles. You do not.
So, Should immigrants be expected to respect and adopt core American legal and civic values? That’s a question many people across the political spectrum would answer “yes,” even if they disagree about how common the problem is. You would not answer, you would change the subject of the issue, or you would tell us STFU. Just great.
One thing for sure, my question at the top of this paragraph…. you would not answeryes. Coddle the savages. Savages, savages. In Indian cafe, I sat by a Muslim in a long white gown from neck to feet, and it was covered with dirt spots, I doubt if he washes it every day like we wash our clothes I had us moved to another table so I couldn’t tell if he smelled or not.. I went to such a restaurant at the whim of a friend, I told him not again..
Some some of the practices you mentioned Are indeed documented in parts of the world, but they are not accepted by everyone in those countries, and many people there actively oppose them. these practices exist in some communities or some regions rather than attributing them to entire cultures or religions. Let us say any place or any ‘tribe’ is one too many.
Your reference to law/crime; culture influences what people believe is acceptable, way before law ever gets involved. Do you think it will be a good idea to render all of these things totally illegal, or do you wanna wait until we decide if one is a crime? Jesus.
Im glad they’re illegal, Sonhouse. The law tells us what is punishable. Culture influences what people believe is acceptable before the law ever gets involved. My concern is preserving American norms that reject these practices outright, not waiting until someone commits a crime.
You go ahead and continue defending these savages and make us sick to our stomachs. I’m sorry you don’t like the Fourth of July. Neither does ma’am Danny..
@shavixmir saidHey average Joe….
Stop changing the subject.
You said his speech was anti-American, and Marauder proved it wasn’t.
Address that. How come you thought it was. Are you going to adjust your opinion in light of the proof?
Stop whatever you are doing and address the initial response to your OP.
Constantly moving the goals is surely beneath you!
An observation… You love to shift an issue from one issue to another if it does not feel convenient.
Fathers are killing their daughters in this country. Forget the criminal side, in his mind he says he is doing the right thing. So you follow your thinking that that man should be allowed to live next-door to me I think on the other hand that I should have a right to shoot him and kill him and I would
@AverageJoe1 saidHow about this response to your idiotic ranting and raving:
You are shifting the conversation from culture to criminal law, while I am trying to talk about whether immigration can bring cultural norms that conflict with American values.
Jesus. You are no debater. Criminal?
I’m not saying every immigrant brings harmful values, and I’m certainly not saying an entire culture can be defined by its worst practices. My point is tha ...[text shortened]... ake us sick to our stomachs. I’m sorry you don’t like the Fourth of July. Neither does ma’am Danny..
GFY.
Claiming everyone who doesn't agree with your bigotry "hates America" is an old right wing (fascist) ploy.