@no1marauder saidMan you think a LOT of things. How about rewarding the ones who create the greatest services and products. Let’s see …..Bezos and musk, who saved us with his Star Link during the hurricane through the Carolinas…..let’s reward those Titans.
That assumes the "capitalist USA" is a "normal" society.
I don't have any specific numbers for you, but I think an economic system should reward those who do socially productive work over those who do not.
@no1marauder saidIt’s not that hard. We create laws that they can’t do all of their horrific acts. We also create laws which require people to assimilate with our society and our cultures , and leave theirs the hell at home. I think it would require an additional cabinet seat.
Your statement implied you could kill him for just thinking that never mind actually doing it (and never mind if he actually believed that).
That what's the San Diego kids did.
You also think that we should keep out all Muslims apparently because a very few believe that. That's what we call "racist stereotyping".
@no1marauder saidYou always look over the fence. What is wrong with your side of the fence? Can you not make a life for yourself?everyone make a life for themselves make choices create their lives however they want to.
The fact is laissez faire capitalism was an abject failure and it was only after reforms people like to describe as "socialist" were implemented, did the lives of the average man substantially improve.
Then since the 1980s, government policy has been to reward non-work and economic rent seeking at the expense of socially productive work. That has led to a vast increas ...[text shortened]... 2, according to the Congressional Budget Office."
https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
Boy I sure do miss the concepts of issues of liberals on this forum
You seem to think certain people have a duty to other people. Susie says we are all brothers. People like yourself define the word charity to give me all that I need until I have enough. I think that’s what you think.
@no1marauder saidGoogle what happened after the depression .how many trillions are we worth now? It’s way up there.
Google "the Great Depression" to let you know how great capitalism was working.
The "2008 Recession" would be another interesting study where the government bailed out the rich for their poor investments.
@no1marauder saidHis platform said there would be free buses. They will not be free buses now. It is because of money. I predict that every problem that he has in the future resulting in very poor Performance will be because he has no money. He will have no money because the treasury will be reduced when people will no longer be there to pay money in for him to do all of his program programs, which are to help people who should not not even be there or should be doing something else. They should make different choices. Choice is my favorite word on the forum.
Mamdani's policy proposals are meant to deal with problems in NYC like affordability. His platform is discussed here: https://www.democracycollaborative.org/blogs/mamdani-five-key-policies
Or, they just do not make any choices, and standing like beggars on the street in old Rome saying “alms”. If it were me, I will get a job and start my life from today forward. Job!
@no1marauder saidYou also think it would be a good idea to reduce productivity and services so that they will be some money left to do whatever it is that you want to do with it. I know for a fact that it will not be for investment, nor be involved in innovation in the United States of America. If you do not allow for innovation, then these wandering people will have no future with the lack of innovation. Am I writing too fast?
That assumes the "capitalist USA" is a "normal" society.
I don't have any specific numbers for you, but I think an economic system should reward those who do socially productive work over those who do not.
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@no1marauder said“To the Americans:
Maybe you should read it and not just repeat lies told about it by your far right propaganda sources. "Bashes America"? Hardly:
"The truth, my friends, is that America is exceptional because here, nothing is fixed into place. The frontier may be closed, we may have walked on the moon, [b]but the work of fulfilling the values first enshrined in the Declaration of ...[text shortened]... .nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2026/07/remarks-as-prepared--mayor-mamdani-delivers-address-marking-amer
I've travelled all over the world. I've familiarized myself with many places, and met many people. And I'm a Canadian, although I’m privileged to reside once again in the States.
And here's something I've noticed, and it’s a key element of America's continuing greatness:
You bloody Americans value success, and you believe in its existence.
This is something that doesn't really happen anywhere else in the world. Even in other free democracies—the United Kingdom; Finland, Sweden, and Norway; Australia, New Zealand and Canada; Germany, France, and the Netherlands (great countries all)—a counterproductive cynicism too often reigns.
Success is equated with exploitation.
Ambition is looked upon with contempt.
This happens sometimes in the United States too—particularly among the miserable progressives, who confuse their resentment, ingratitude and unearned skepticism with wisdom.
But in your great country, by and large, striving is admired and success celebrated.
This means that more people strive and succeed in the US than anywhere else. And it's increasingly obvious. You remain stunningly more innovative and productive than any people anywhere else on the planet.
And so I say, as all should who are fortunate enough to live in the western world, let alone America:
Thank God for the United States.
Thank God for the wisdom of its founders.
Thank God for its faith in the free market and in the natural rights of man.
Happy birthday, you damn Yankees and Southerners.
Long may your admirable country dominate the world.
Long may your freedom and hope provide an example to those suffering everywhere at the hands of their malevolent states.
May your two and a half centuries of unparallelled success be just the beginning.
Your country is the light of the world, and the city on the hill.
Thank God for the USA.
Happy 250th.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson”
Just don’t let communism fool the liberals!
@AverageJoe1 saidThe US has never required any group to "leave their culture at home"; it is the mix of cultures here that makes the country such a vibrant and fascinating place.
It’s not that hard. We create laws that they can’t do all of their horrific acts. We also create laws which require people to assimilate with our society and our cultures , and leave theirs the hell at home. I think it would require an additional cabinet seat.
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@AverageJoe1 saidHow much more should they be "rewarded"?
Man you think a LOT of things. How about rewarding the ones who create the greatest services and products. Let’s see …..Bezos and musk, who saved us with his Star Link during the hurricane through the Carolinas…..let’s reward those Titans.
Musk came from a "culture" based on white supremacy and the denial of rights to the majority of its People from over a 100 years. Now, those with that "culture" are the only ones deemed suitable for refugee status to enter the US. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/afrikaner-exception-race-and-strategic-dismantling
@no1marauder saidHow much shall Musk be Un-rewarded?
How much more should they be "rewarded"?
Musk came from a "culture" based on white supremacy and the denial of rights to the majority of its People from over a 100 years. Now, those with that "culture" are the only ones deemed suitable for refugee status to enter the US. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/afrikaner-exception-race-and-strategic-dismantling
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@AverageJoe1 saidI'd be content with taxing his income at non-privileged rates.
How much shall Musk be Un-rewarded?
EDIT: Data is hard to get, but from 2014-18 Musk's wealth grew by $13.9 billion and he paid 3.27% of that in Federal taxes. In 2018, he paid nothing. https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/ProPublica-Billionaires-Fact-Sheet-Updated.pdf
EDIT2: Tesla made out even better:
"Over the past three years, the Elon Musk-led company reported $12.58 billion of U.S. income on which its current federal tax was just $48 million. This means that over the past three years, Tesla paid just 0.4 percent of its U.S. profits in federal income taxes, which is another way of saying the company reported an effective federal income tax rate of 0.4 percent. "
https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2025/
@AverageJoe1 saidWhat happened after the Great Depression has to be viewed in the light of the measures taken during it.
Google what happened after the depression .how many trillions are we worth now? It’s way up there.
Laissez faire capitalism was off the table and remained largely off until Reagan.
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@no1marauder saidYou speak of the companies that he holds stock in, like you and I hold stock in companies. You are not speaking about his personal income. I am not sure but you seem to think he should be taxed on value of the stock, and so we would have to be, too. But its value changes daily. I could be taxed on $1M o stock, and then its value drop the next day to $550,000.
I'd be content with taxing his income at non-privileged rates.
EDIT: Data is hard to get, but from 2014-18 Musk's wealth grew by $13.9 billion and he paid 3.27% of that in Federal taxes. In 2018, he paid nothing. https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/ProPublica-Billionaires-Fact-Sheet-Updated.pdf
EDIT2: Tesla made out even better:
"Over the past ...[text shortened]... ncome tax rate of 0.4 percent. "
https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2025/
The problems are just too much to figure this all out. But I agree that the tax system needs t be fair, which is a word that needs to be defined. Millions do not pay income tax (we are talking about income tax now). For fair, then they should all pay income tax. I think there should be the "Fair Tax', and have not heard a good reason to not do it.
I also suggest that you otherwise leave the creators alone. Unless, or course,
you instead decide to reduce how many types of cheese are produced. THAT is asking for trouble.
@no1marauder saidover my head, sorry. not 'in the books' like some. Too old.
How much more should they be "rewarded"?
Musk came from a "culture" based on white supremacy and the denial of rights to the majority of its People from over a 100 years. Now, those with that "culture" are the only ones deemed suitable for refugee status to enter the US. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/afrikaner-exception-race-and-strategic-dismantling
@Mott-The-Hoople said😆
“To the Americans:
I've travelled all over the world. I've familiarized myself with many places, and met many people. And I'm a Canadian, although I’m privileged to reside once again in the States.
And here's something I've noticed, and it’s a key element of America's continuing greatness:
You bloody Americans value success, and you believe in its existence. ...[text shortened]... .
Happy 250th.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson”
Just don’t let communism fool the liberals!