@AverageJoe1 saidTold you so. Let's see if Marauder agrees that all citizens should pay income tax. He will skirt that issue too. So as our military protects their homes and families, they should pay nothing?? Ask Marauder, he is not shooting straight with me.
We are speaking of income taxes, he’ll attempt payroll tax or some such. I hate disingenuous posts. Gotchas, etc.
More to the point, he will not say he is wrong.
@AverageJoe1 saidNo, I don't think citizens in poverty or struggling to pay for the essentials of life should have a part of their inadequate income diverted to the Federal government.
Told you so. Let's see if Marauder agrees that all citizens should pay income tax. He will skirt that issue too. So as our military protects their homes and families, they should pay nothing?? Ask Marauder, he is not shooting straight with me.
@no1marauder saidThey don’t…but you do have people living in section 8 housing, collecting food stamps, free medical ect and collect fed tax money and don’t have a job.
No, I don't think citizens in poverty or struggling to pay for the essentials of life should have a part of their inadequate income diverted to the Federal government.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThen get them a job if they are able to work.
They don’t…but you do have people living in section 8 housing, collecting food stamps, free medical ect and collect fed tax money and don’t have a job.
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@no1marauder saidI am not speaking of a burden to them, they who enjoy the safety and bounty of America. And I am not arguing that someone in poverty should pay a large tax bill. I am making a practical point not a moral one.
No, I don't think citizens in poverty or struggling to pay for the essentials of life should have a part of their inadequate income diverted to the Federal government.
When every working citizen contribute something even if it's a token amount, it reinforces the idea that government services aren't free. We all have a shared responsibility for paying for them. Everyone should participate in that cause. Once a large percentage of the voters pay nothing toward the cost of government. There is a risk that is political easier for them to vote for more spending because someone else is expected to foot the Bill. You can at least agree that I am correct about that. Today's example would be that Mamdani make it easy for people not to work, thus not pay taxes, thus receive more free benefit benefits,..... they will VOTE ....follow me...in favor of More Spending.
COMMON SENSE.
A tax system does work better when it is progressive, but everyone has at least some skin in the game. You being socialist would welcome those people to vote because it furthers your cause of socialism, but I am speaking about our capitalist country, while your posts have currents of overthrow.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt's bad economics to take money away from the People who spend almost all of it on consumer goods and send it to finance the many dubious projects the Feds do like $1.5 trillion for war and war preparations and over $100 billion to drive out of the country productive workers and their families.
I am not speaking of a burden to them, they who enjoy the safety and bounty of America. And I am not arguing that someone in poverty should pay a large tax bill. I am making a practical point not a moral one.
When every working citizen contribute something even if it's a token amount, it reinforces the idea that government services aren't free. We all have a shared ...[text shortened]... ialism, but I am speaking about our capitalist country, while your posts have currents of overthrow.
Further impoverishing those struggling with the results of the inefficiencies of our economic system doesn't sound very "moral" to me.
@no1marauder saidYour first para suggests that evicting illegals, and fed projects, including military readiness, are PATENTLY WRONG.
It's bad economics to take money away from the People who spend almost all of it on consumer goods and send it to finance the many dubious projects the Feds do like $1.5 trillion for war and war preparations and over $100 billion to drive out of the country productive workers and their families.
Further impoverishing those struggling with the results of the inefficiencies of our economic system doesn't sound very "moral" to me.
Your premise is false on its face, try again.
I just sent Ghost of a Duke, or one of those people, to sit with you on the back of the bus.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou saying something doesn't make it true.
Your first para suggests that evicting illegals, and fed projects, including military readiness, are PATENTLY WRONG.
Your premise is false on its face, try again.
I just sent Ghost of a Duke, or one of those people, to sit with you on the back of the bus.
The US budget for war and war preparation is grotesquely wasteful.
The push for mass deportations of largely productive workers and their families is stupid and economically suicidal.
Neither statement is "false on its face" and you obviously don't know what that term means.
@no1marauder saidMany many people are concerned about terrorism and countries like Iran and nukes, certainly you would agree. They say death to America. Your neighbor says..." I will kill you'. You gonna spend whatever money it takes to keep him, and other haters, away from you, maybe kill them first? Yes you would. you are disingenuous.
You saying something doesn't make it true.
The US budget for war and war preparation is grotesquely wasteful.
The push for mass deportations of largely productive workers and their families is stupid and economically suicidal.
Neither statement is "false on its face" and you obviously don't know what that term means.
?? Of course we need immigrants, we are not even making babies nearly as many as we used to. So, let us admit immigrants legally into our country (vetted, and not criminals whom you seem to be OK with) and let them work here, start a new life, land of the free.
You are speaking of another issue , that of illegal immigrants, start a thread on that one. Let us enjoy this thread, talk about the admittance of foreigners whom we approve of. Like, you ain't gonna have a stranger sit at your thanksgiving table......might wnat to know who he is. So, let us discuss the beauty of adding foreigners to our population, to grow our country. You won't do it though, because it is a positive premise, and you are ANYTHING BUT POSITIVE.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt's exhausting to deal with someone so simple minded.
Many many people are concerned about terrorism and countries like Iran and nukes, certainly you would agree. They say death to America. Your neighbor says..." I will kill you'. You gonna spend whatever money it takes to keep him, and other haters, away from you, maybe kill them first? Yes you would. you are disingenuous.
?? Of course we need immigrants, we are not ...[text shortened]... untry. You won't do it though, because it is a positive premise, and you are ANYTHING BUT POSITIVE.
The US war budget bears no relation to any reasonable defense needs:
" In 2025, defense spending by the United States accounted for 33 percent of all military expenditures by countries around the world, according to recently released figures from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). In total, the United States spent $954 billion on defense, which is more than the next six countries’ spending ($905 billion) combined."
https://www.pgpf.org/article/the-united-states-spends-more-on-defense-than-the-next-6-countries-combined/
And that's before this administration insanely requested a $1.5 trillion war budget for ONE YEAR.
I don't need to buy a tank to "defend" my home using your idiotic analogy.
@AverageJoe1 saidAnd we already have something like 7.5 million undocumented immigrants working in our country. What sense does it make to expel them and then hope they can be replaced? They should all be welcomed (unless they have committed serious crimes) and given a path to citizenship. Heck, make them pay a small fine if it makes you feel better.
Many many people are concerned about terrorism and countries like Iran and nukes, certainly you would agree. They say death to America. Your neighbor says..." I will kill you'. You gonna spend whatever money it takes to keep him, and other haters, away from you, maybe kill them first? Yes you would. you are disingenuous.
?? Of course we need immigrants, we are not ...[text shortened]... untry. You won't do it though, because it is a positive premise, and you are ANYTHING BUT POSITIVE.
The present policy is hardly going to encourage needed immigration in the future.
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@no1marauder saidI guess for your post to make sense, you need to tell us and prove to us that the United States is buying tanks to position in the United States that is needed for defense of your home.
It's exhausting to deal with someone so simple minded.
The US war budget bears no relation to any reasonable defense needs:
" In 2025, defense spending by the United States accounted for 33 percent of all military expenditures by countries around the world, according to recently released figures from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). In t ...[text shortened]... r budget for ONE YEAR.
I don't need to buy a tank to "defend" my home using your idiotic analogy.
At least apprise us of that, that I might reasonably respond to your post. I don’t know what you will send me, but you do seem to set up premises for us to respond, but it is impossible when it is a false premise.
Edit: Your Post is an example of filling it up with links, which refer to the need for defense spending. Why would I read that link when I personally think we need more defense spending, so that link would be irrelevant to my thought process ……it is probably written by someone who thinks we do not need defense, average Joe thinks we do need defense, and will not be swayed, just like you have never been swayed, and there we have it.
@no1marauder saidIt would make me feel better to round them all up. Send them home where they should be, and invite them to apply for entry into our country. I’m sure you have all the links on that, I don’t study what they call it or how it is operated. If it doesn’t exist, then we need to set up a gate at the border so that people can walk up and say we would like to come in and here is my Police record. Do you follow?
And we already have something like 7.5 million undocumented immigrants working in our country. What sense does it make to expel them and then hope they can be replaced? They should all be welcomed (unless they have committed serious crimes) and given a path to citizenship. Heck, make them pay a small fine if it makes you feel better.
The present policy is hardly going to encourage needed immigration in the future.
We cannot pick and choose all of the illegals here and send some back and keep some here, unless you have some magic formula to do that in a fair manner. I think you do not formula is to let all of the illegal stay here. A little much, don’t you think. Some have been here for sometime waiting for citizenship. Also, some poor people here are having trouble getting housing because of these itinerant illegals getting vouchers from the government. Writing with you is like Groundhog Day.