Mexico decriminalizes drugs

Originally posted by ivanhoe
"The Egyptian delegate denounced 'Hashism' which he said caused from 30-60 per cent of the insanity in his country. 'In support of this contention... there are three times as many cases of [b]mental alienation among men as among women, and it is an established fact that men are much more addicted to hashish than women'. Hashish addicts, he said, were reg sm decays. The addict very frequently becomes neurasthenic and eventually insane."[/b]

I'm sure you'll like this one, Ivan: "Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

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Originally posted by ivanhoe
"The Egyptian delegate denounced 'Hashism' which he said caused from 30-60 per cent of the insanity in his country. 'In support of this contention... there are three times as many cases of [b]mental alienation among men as among women, and it is an established fact that men are much more addicted to hashish than women'. Hashish addicts, he said, were reg ...[text shortened]... sm decays. The addict very frequently becomes neurasthenic and eventually insane."[/b]

The paragraph continues...
"These claims for the dangers of cannabis made in 1925 were not investigated by the League of Nations until ten years after it was banned.That study was never completed. The only serious investigation made previously was the 1893 Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report, which contradicted most of the Egyptian's speech "

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Originally posted by sonhouse
There is a major flaw in the gateway drug idea. Why do you think it was propaganized to be illegal in the first place? In the thirties, a true world class ashole named Anslinger had a hardon against puerto ricans and jazz musicians, both coming from the devil according to him. So being in high office he pushed for and got grass to be criminalized. But here ...[text shortened]... have to admit they were not only wrong but in the pockets of the tobacco and alcohol companies.

Your post reminds me of a sharp chapter of one of Noam Chomsky's books; particularly this part I like:

How come marijuana is illegal but tobacco legal? It can't be because of the health impact, because that's exactly the other way around (...). My strong suspicion (...) is that the reason is that marijuana's a weed, you can grow it in your backyard, so there's nobody who could make any money off it if it were legal. Tobacco requires extensive capital inputs and technology, and it can be monopolized, so there are people who can make a ton of money off it. I don't see any other difference between the two of them, frankly -except that tobacco's far more lethal and far more addictive

Another Chomsky jewel: Drugs were massively introduced just when urban ghettos in the 1960's started to get serious organizing.

Originally posted by sonhouse
and of course, Mexican food is so unenlightened also, who in their right mind can stand avocados, guocamole or taco's, or Fajita's. Such disgusting fare, eh?

LOL 🙂

Originally posted by Ragnorak
I'm not sure what your position is. Initially, in your post to Redmike, it seemed like you were saying that cannabis users will still move onto harder drugs. Now, I don't know what your position is.

Re cannabis and heroin: The fact that when questioned what the first drug they tried was, every heroin user will answer marijuana, therefore giving "eviden ine usage, but it did lead people to become involved in the criminality of the day.

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I may not be very clear at times but I do still feel that de-criminalizing cannabis does not per se decrease harder drug usage.

I asked the question about cannabis users moving on to heroin because presumably if its being illegal encourages people to move to harder drugs then the majority of cannabis users would do so.

I'm not sure that you can deduce from the fact that most heroin users started drug use with cannabis that they wouldn't be using heroin if cannabis was easier to get.

I think my position is that I don't think the legals status of cannabis has too much bearing on the use of heroin. I probably lean towards legalizing cannabis because it doesn't seem any worse than alcohol, people like it and it's a damn plant for chrissake!

Originally posted by ivanhoe
"The Egyptian delegate denounced 'Hashism' which he said caused from 30-60 per cent of the insanity in his country. 'In support of this contention... there are three times as many cases of [b]mental alienation among men as among women, and it is an established fact that men are much more addicted to hashish than women'. Hashish addicts, he said, were reg /b] in young people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4082196.stm[/b]

So you are SO concerned about the health and well being of citizens.
So why are you not on a huge bandwagon against tobacco and alcohol?
I hear these arguments about how marijuana makes you lazy, or maybe mentally ill. Why are you so worried about that but IGNORE the half million DEATHS in the US from tobacco alone? or the 50,000 DEATHS caused by drunk drivers? Why is there no major concern on your part for this truly disgusting set of statistics when there are so few DEATHS caused by grass? Also the Egyptian was talking about HASH, something dozens of times stronger than weed. Try to put things in proper perspective.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So a 16 year old snot nosed kid on an isolated island in Scotland knows all about the cultural state of other countries. Of course, being the world traveller you must be, you have many enlightining stories of how you were robbed, kidnapped, ripped off, got bad diseases and such from your many trips to Mexico.
Let me tell you a small personal story from a R ...[text shortened]... r right mind can stand avocados, guocamole or taco's, or Fajita's. Such disgusting fare, eh?

Now you're not being fair! How do you know he has a snotty nose!!!

Originally posted by Wheely
I may not be very clear at times but I do still feel that de-criminalizing cannabis does not per se decrease harder drug usage.

I asked the question about cannabis users moving on to heroin because presumably if its being illegal encourages people to move to harder drugs then the majority of cannabis users would do so.

I'm not sure that you can deduce f ...[text shortened]... it doesn't seem any worse than alcohol, people like it and it's a damn plant for chrissake!

You must be a smoker. I have said time and time again, TOBACCO is the real gateway drug. What is the first things kids do? You think its to go to a dealer and score some weed? Try this on for size: the truly disturbed tobacco industry makes it available to 18 year old. Notice that part about 18? Teenagers? So where will a 12 year old go first?
To a known drug dealer or his older brother or cousin who happens to be old enough to buy a pack of cigarettes? You know nothing about gateway drugs thats for sure, you are fully propagandized by the Anslinger revolution.

Originally posted by Wheely
Now you're not being fair! How do you know he has a snotty nose!!!

Making assumptions like he did fully qualifies him for snotnoseness.

Originally posted by rwingett
[i]MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexico's Congress approved a bill Friday decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine and heroin for personal use - a measure sure to raise questions in Washington about Mexico's commitment to the war on drugs.

The only step remaining was the signature of the president, whose office indicated he would s ...[text shortened]... drugs is lost, and this seems to be the course that most enlightened countries are taking now.

"enlightened"? LMAO!! How enlightened are you going to be when your teenager or girlfriend becomes a meth-head or a coke-whore, or the next-door neighbor breaks into your house and robs you blind in order to "pay" for his "fix"? Are you going to be enlightened when you step on a needle that is infected with hepatitis C? Not only do we have to worry about the "legal" drug alcohol killing 25,000 on the roads of America annually, but now we have to worry if the guy coming at us on the road is high on coke, meth, or heroine....you need to move to Amsterdam, with all due respect....

Originally posted by sonhouse
You must be a smoker. I have said time and time again, TOBACCO is the real gateway drug. What is the first things kids do? You think its to go to a dealer and score some weed? Try this on for size: the truly disturbed tobacco industry makes it available to 18 year old. Notice that part about 18? Teenagers? So where will a 12 year old go first?
To a known d ...[text shortened]... ing about gateway drugs thats for sure, you are fully propagandized by the Anslinger revolution.

I am indeed a smoker. However, I think this "gateway" concept is a red herring. Tobacco is a very easy drug to obtain and that's what people try first. However, the majority of smokers don't smoke weed despite what it might seem at times.

Cannabis is the easiest illegal drug to get hold of so that's the one people try first.

My contention is that you are going to move up that chain only if that's the kind of person you are or the environment you are in and I don't think the legal status has too much of an influence.

However, legalizing the stuff will probably fill the world with really chilled out mellow people and I don't think that's such a bad thing 🙂

Originally posted by Wheely
I am indeed a smoker. However, I think this "gateway" concept is a red herring. Tobacco is a very easy drug to obtain and that's what people try first. However, the majority of smokers don't smoke weed despite what it might seem at times.

Cannabis is the easiest illegal drug to get hold of so that's the one people try first.

My contention is that you ...[text shortened]... orld with really chilled out mellow people and I don't think that's such a bad thing 🙂

So being a smoker you cannot help but be part of the propagaindized world. The majority of people don't use grass EVER. You don't hear stories about 80 % of the population starting out on weed. You hear stories like 80% of the population starting out on tobacco. You are ruining your health puff by puff and so you are part of the problem. Its KILLING you but you don't care, its so addictive, its stronger than life itself.

Originally posted by Seitse
Mexico not enlightened?... please tell us you were joking.

Being a third world country has nothing to do with being "enlightened" or not.

Mexico is a country with a corrupt government which is caving into the drug cartels, which practically run the country. Your honorable president, Vicente "El zorrerod"Fox, hasn't the moral courage to lift Mexico out of poverty and crime, so he takes the easy path by legalizing drugs, which will be more of a headache for the US. As I've said before, and I'll say it again because it's true: Mexico is a giant leech sucking in the resources of the US in order to bring us to their third-world level....Secure the borders NOW!!!!

P.S.: before you call me a "gringo" racist, I have Mexican in-laws and nephews who agree with my sentiment....Asta la vista....

Originally posted by princeoforange
Drug users don't only harm themselves, they harm others, because drugs affect your perception in various ways. I know there are arguments for the legalisation of drugs, but I am a sceptic.

Then punish them for harming others. If they assault, prosecute for assault, etc.

Originally posted by Ragnorak
... Holland attracts people from all over the world due to its drugs policy. If the rest of the world had the same policies, then there wouldn't be the magnetic effect that is pretty evident in Holland. I also know that most dutch people stop smoking cannabis after their teens.
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Not sure how it is now, but from my experiences of Amsterdam many years ago, the main reason for a weekend there was to get wasted, and usually within the first 2 hours this had been overdone.

While the locals acted responsibly many tourists coming from 'controlled' environments went totally overboard, this attracts the street vendors selling other drugs. If there are problems there it is the regulation in other places causing it, we don't get a fair picture.

IMHO for there to be a crime there needs to be a perpetrator and a victim - someone smoking a joint does not fit this criteria.