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Originally posted by sonhouseYour post is an instance of faulty reasoning. Whether I am worried or not about alcohol or tobacco usage does not alter the negative health consequenses of cannabis usage.
So you are SO concerned about the health and well being of citizens.
So why are you not on a huge bandwagon against tobacco and alcohol?
I hear these arguments about how marijuana makes you lazy, or maybe mentally ill. Why are you so worried about that but IGNORE the half million DEATHS in the US from tobacco alone? or the 50,000 DEATHS caused by drunk dr ...[text shortened]... out HASH, something dozens of times stronger than weed. Try to put things in proper perspective.
Originally posted by SeitseThank you...that says a lot...have a cerveza, I mean beer, on me..😉
Vicente Fox is not exactly the brightest crayon in the box. Actually he is a 'burro' like all the corrupted, poisonus politicians we have [I do hate them and will never defend them]... here is a bit of personal life I don't like sharing but I think the moment is right: I was there in Monterrey, in a 'palco' (don't remember the translation but I think is booth ...[text shortened]... d something I will never forget: "Hey, no worries, this is not the Mexico I know anyway"
Originally posted by ivanhoeWell then explain why when there is so much concern about the health of its citizens we have legal tobacco which is actually taking lives by the hundreds of thousands, why is all that ignored when a drug which MAX causes mental illness is criminalized ensuring the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of people for nothing more violent than possesion of a couple of ounces or even a pound of boo? Why is there not a huge outcry to criminalize tobacco? Could it be its all a politcal scam?
Read the links I posted. They clearly show that Cannabis is NOT an innocuous drug, on the contrary. These links tell us that recent (!) research confirms that using cannabis can cause serious mental health damage (psychotic illness, schizofrenia) and affects the growing and development of the brain.
Denying the facts and insinuating dumb racial implications on my part do not get you anywhere.
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Originally posted by Delmerlol, thanks! 🙂
I'm impressed, a civilized meeting of the minds in an RHP forum. You both get a rec.
chancre and I are definitely from different political positions, that's evident, but call me a dreamer for what I'm going to say: I believe that with only one coincidence in views is possible to get along well, in any situation of life 😛
The guy is definitely not a bad person [and I respect his views though I don't share them], he is only passionate about his views and that is worth respecting it because he is not numb or lazy but involved and active... I like my views also, and perhaps the only difference is that I'm trained at being cool because I deal all day with arrogant poli sci professors looking for the slightest chance to nail you down, haha... those cocky bastards 😛
I guess it boils down to a quote attributed to Voltaire: ""I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
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Originally posted by sonhouseYou're talking politics. I am concerned about people's, and especially young people's health. The correct advice should be, do not use cannabis or any other drugs, do not smoke tobacco and use alcohol in very modest quantities. That's it.
Well then explain why when there is so much concern about the health of its citizens we have legal tobacco which is actually taking lives by the hundreds of thousands, why is all that ignored when a drug which MAX causes mental illness is criminalized ensuring the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of people for nothing more violent than possesion of a ...[text shortened]... boo? Why is there not a huge outcry to criminalize tobacco? Could it be its all a politcal scam?
Originally posted by ivanhoeWell the consequenses for using tobacco and alcohol should be exactly the same as that for the use of mary jane. Its a completely hypocritical society that bans one and not the other. Hypocritical because there are MILLIONS hooked on tobacco who somehow ignore the desparate plight of millions of others suppressed in prisons for possession, for instance, getting such mind numbing sentences as 40 years for possesing ONE joint in Texas. Of course Texas is SUCH an enlightened state anyway.
You're talking politics. I am concerned about people's, and especially young people's health. The correct advice should be, do not use cannabis or any other drugs, do not smoke tobacco and use alcohol in very modest quantities. That's it.
Originally posted by ivanhoeFrom your links...
Read the links I posted. They clearly show that Cannabis is NOT an innocuous drug, on the contrary. These links tell us that recent (!) research confirms that using cannabis can cause serious mental health damage (psychotic illness, schizofrenia) and affects the growing and development of the brain.
Denying the facts and insinuating dumb racial implications on my part do not get you anywhere.
"It meets the scientist whose unpublished new research suggests that cannabis can cause long-term chemical changes in users' brains and supports the idea that it can be a "gateway" making users more likely to take other drugs."
"The evidence would seem to support a link between cannabis use and mental health problems, but what exactly the link is unclear. It seems more likely that cannabis use is a trigger rather than a direct cause of psychosis, but we need more research to establish that."
"Tabitha Lewis, the charity's practice development and training officer in dual diagnosis, said that despite a few studies that indicated cannabis posed some risk to mental health, the evidence was by no means conclusive.
She said: "I don't understand how reducing the penalty for using cannabis has any impact on how psychotic it could make you. Nor am I convinced that downgrading the drug will lead to far more people using it."
"Very heavy use of cannabis could be a cause of psychosis"
Very heavy use of water can cause death. Should we criminalise users of water? What facts am I ignoring? Recent research confirms nothing, as such. It confirms that there is a possibility that marijuana use and psychosis is linked.
Denying the facts? It seems to me that you are the one denying the facts contained in your very own links, and cherry picking quotes out of context.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThe millions of people that have used cannabis responsibly makes a mockery of your use of the term. It is the abuse of cannabis, and it's illegality, that leads to problems.
Research deals with using cannabis. Of course, the more you use the more serious the health effects will be.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI know people who have gone mad from alcohol. I know people who are completely out of control after just a few beers, they become violent, incoherent and belligerent. Why do you condone young people drinking, when both short and long term effects of "heavy usage" are guaranteed to cause health problems AND problems to society at large?
You're talking politics. I am concerned about people's, and especially young people's health. The correct advice should be, do not use cannabis or any other drugs, do not smoke tobacco and use alcohol in very modest quantities. That's it.
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Originally posted by RagnorakAnd why is it bars, tobacco, and booze go together so often? Of course the danger there is NOTHING like the devil weed, eh.
I know people who have gone mad from alcohol. I know people who are completely out of control after just a few beers, they become violent, incoherent and belligerent. Why do you condone young people drinking, when both short and long term effects of "heavy usage" are guaranteed to cause health problems AND problems to society at large?
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Originally posted by RagnorakRagnorak: "Recent research confirms nothing, as such."
From your links...
"It meets the scientist whose [b]unpublished new research suggests that cannabis can cause long-term chemical changes in users' brains and supports the idea that it can be a "gateway" making users more likely to take other drugs."
"The evidence would seem to support a link between cannabis use and mental healt ...[text shortened]... s contained in your very own links, and cherry picking quotes out of context.
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Search the internet. It is a well known fact that cannabis usage causes serious mental and physical health problems. If you want to go on believing the sixties fairy tale that cannabis is an innocuous drug, then that is your business. I cannot change that. Bickering about it doesn't change the facts either.
Originally posted by RagnorakRat poison is also dangerous. You cannot blame me for not mentioning this in case I'm talking about the serious health problems of cannabis usage.
I know people who have gone mad from alcohol. I know people who are completely out of control after just a few beers, they become violent, incoherent and belligerent. Why do you condone young people drinking, when both short and long term effects of "heavy usage" are guaranteed to cause health problems AND problems to society at large?
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Ragnorak: "Why do you condone young people drinking, ... "
Do I ? Besides, drinking alcohol is not the issue of this thread.