Originally posted by ivanhoeNo, I'm sure the effect is cumulative, in the same way that the health effects of tobacco are cumulative. If a person smokes tobacco or cannabis once, for instance, the effect on their health is immeasurably small. If a person smokes anything heavily for any great length of time, it will likely kill them.
There is no way you can use cannabis "responsibly", because every dosage can cause health problems.
Originally posted by royalchickenRC: "Cannabis and tobacco use in any quantity do not guarantee serious health problems; they contribute to them."
Cannabis and tobacco use in any quantity do not guarantee serious health problems; they contribute to them. It's clear that habitual tobacco use is very damaging to health (in fact, so is habitual cannabis use, at least if smoked), but that does not mean that consuming 'modest quantities' of tobacco causes serious health problems (it is difficult for many people, however, to consume modest quantities of tobacco, given the joys of nicotine).
Of course.
The chance you get lung cancer increases significantly if you smoke two or three cigarettes a week.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeWhy do you continue to bring up comparitive non-existent issues when the real health and safety problems lie squarely in the field of tobacco and alcohol? Everyone is so fuking brainwashed they continue to ignore this huge near trillion dollar problem while whining and grousing about a politically motivated pogrom inherent in the criminalization of weed.
What about the health and social security costs ?
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Originally posted by sonhouseOpen a thread on alcohol and tobacco usage. This thread is about cannabis usage.
Why do you continue to bring up non-existent issues when the real health and safety problems lie squarely in the field of tobacco and alcohol? Everyone is so fuking brainwashed they continue to ignore this huge near trillion dollar problem while whining and grousing about a politically motivated pogrom inherent in the criminalization of weed.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI disagree flatly with this statement, and I base that on direct contact with people who have used both of these substances and are far more healthy than someone who sits at their computer all day, or watches television all weekend, or eats only fast food burgers. Smoking 3 cigarettes a day does not sentence you to cancer, a joint or two in the weekend does not lead to...I don't know what...supposed mental disorders.
I did not say that "alcohol is ok".
Alcohol can be used in very modest quantities. This does not cause serious health problems. Cannabis and tobacco however cannot be used in modest quantities without causing serious health problems.
Thàt's the difference.
The abuse of any and all of the above leads to problems. The problems surrounding cannabis are exacerbated by making them it illegal.
Drugs laws do more harm than good.
Nice point Royal Chicken about a person owniing their own body, Ivanhoe can keep his sticky control freak hands off my life....invites only.
Originally posted by WajomaIn case you need health care because of cannabis use, will you be as heroic as you are now saying "Ivanhoe (or society) can keep his (its)sticky control freak hands off my life" ?
I disagree flatly with this statement, and I base that on direct contact with people who have used both of these substances and are far more healthy than someone who sits at their computer all day, or watches television all weekend, or eats only fast food burgers. Smoking 3 cigarettes a day does not sentence you to cancer, a joint or two in the weekend does ...[text shortened]... ng their own body, Ivanhoe can keep his sticky control freak hands off my life....invites only.
If you want to risk your health you just go right ahead, but not on my expense.
Originally posted by ivanhoeHoorah, the first thing you said that makes sense...that is reasonable.
In case you need health care because of cannabis use, will you be as heroic as you are now saying "Ivanhoe (or society) can keep his (its)sticky control freak hands off my life" ?
If you want to risk your health you just go right ahead, but not on my expense.
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou are risking your health by spending upto 15 hours a day sitting in front of your pc on RHP "debating". Do you think it would be right if I told you that you couldn't do that, because your obesity, brittle bones, etc could cost me money long term?
If you want to risk your health you just go right ahead, but not on my expense.
Do you drive a car? Use central heating? Eat processed food? Buy formaldehyde treated furniture and appliances? Use a microwave?
The list of things that not only harm ourselves, but also others is endless. Where do you draw the line when you want to control what 1 can and can't do?
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Originally posted by rwingettRationality at last!
[i]MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexico's Congress approved a bill Friday decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine and heroin for personal use - a measure sure to raise questions in Washington about Mexico's commitment to the war on drugs.
The only step remaining was the signature of the president, whose office indicated he would s ...[text shortened]... drugs is lost, and this seems to be the course that most enlightened countries are taking now.
Originally posted by chancremechanicIt's funny how your post can fit your own country you love so dearly:
Mexico is a country with a corrupt government which is caving into the drug cartels, which practically run the country. Your honorable president, Vicente "El zorrerod"Fox, hasn't the moral courage to lift Mexico out of poverty and crime, so he takes the easy path by legalizing drugs, which will be more of a headache for the US. As I've said before, ...[text shortened]... ist, I have Mexican in-laws and nephews who agree with my sentiment....Asta la vista....
America is a county with a corrupt government which is caving into the tobacco cartels, which practically run the country. Your honourable president, George Bush, hasn't the moral courage to lift America out of poverty and crime, so he takes the easy path by legalising drugs, which will be more of a headache for the victims of these drugs. As I've said before, and I'll say it again because it's true: America is a giant leech sucking in the resources of the world in order to bring us to the highest level....Secure the borders NOW!!!!
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Originally posted by RagnorakI'm not interested in telling people what to do. What I am interested in is that sensible people must be able to make informed responsible adult decisions about their health based on facts and not on fairy tales from the sixties.
You are risking your health by spending upto 15 hours a day sitting in front of your pc on RHP "debating". Do you think it would be right if I told you that you couldn't do that, because your obesity, brittle bones, etc could cost me money long term?
Do you drive a car? Use central heating? Eat processed food? Buy formaldehyde treated furniture and a ...[text shortened]... endless. Where do you draw the line when you want to control what 1 can and can't do?
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Do you wear your safety belt while driving ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeNo, you're not. You're thinking of your pocket.
I'm not interested in telling people what to do. What I am interested in is that sensible people must be able to make informed responsible adult decisions about their health based on facts and not on fairy tales from the sixties.
"If you want to risk your health you just go right ahead, but not on my expense."
Try to remember what position you are debating.
Yes, I do wear a seat belt when driving. Point?
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