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20 Feb 21
20 Feb 21
@metal-brain said? Monopoly,? I just said that manipulation is a very bad thing. I guess that means monopolies are a very bad thing. Monopolies are despicable, one regulation of the government that I agree with. Thank God for the committees like the ones that jumped all over those Robin Hood people. What a bunch of creeps.
Supply and demand. If you can prove a monopoly I will consider it, but you have not done that thus far.
@zahlanzi saidI’m fine with everything you said in the first paragraph, anybody can charge what they want to and anybody can pay anything they want
the minimum wage in Dc is already 15, somehow the big mac hasn't risen in price to match the ludicrous alarmist crap you people are advocating. And if it rises in price, good. Let mcdonalds' leather boot of a burger patty compete with other burger joints that use real cow. And let consumers decide if they want to spend their money on a 30$ big mac(like you dumbasses think th ...[text shortened]... nalds will bankrupt them unless they increase the burger prices is another proof 9f how dumb you are
But then ARRGGGGGHHHHHHH, you mention that funny little place Denmark, you ruined your post here. Ruined, because there is no logic to compare the USA to Denmark. Why don’t you tell us what is going on in New Guinea? Really.....
Capitalism is Demmark? Must be since you are comparing the prices of goods in each country? Apples and apples? Think of how difficult it would be just to compare Alaska and Arkansas, regarding beef. We have beef growing all over i the southeast (Arkansas) but Alaska has to pay more to get beef in Alaska. That is America. Do you think the government should go hell out to Alaska and bring them beef. ? Isn’t that their problem?
20 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidIf Bill lives in Alaska the State will give him free money like a bunch of socialists:
A McDonalds hamburger costs $4.82 in Juneau Alaska. The same sandwich is $2.24 in Conway Arkansas.
If Bill in Alaska eats one a week, that is $250.64/yr
If John in Arkansas eats the same, that is $126.48//yr.
So, roughly twice as much is the cost of living for poor Bill. But he and John BOTH make $30,000 a year. Bill will struggle, John will have enough lefto ...[text shortened]... es...like our country should do for everything, except for maybe being in charge of the atomic bomb.
https://www.insider.com/alaska-will-pay-you-2000-a-year-just-to-live-there-2017-11
20 Feb 21
@athousandyoung saidThe link says tha Alaska will pay you $2000 to live there. They make this a pat of their budget...they have their reasons. I never contradict myself. I say let that state do anything they want to withTHEIR money. Who cares? It has nothing to do with Texas or Florda, or money that I pay in taxes. I imagine some here think the Fed govt should be involved someway. Please tell us how?
If Bill lives in Alaska the State will give him free money like a bunch of socialists:
https://www.insider.com/alaska-will-pay-you-2000-a-year-just-to-live-there-2017-11
Be aware that if Fed is involved, that somehow money you pay from Tennessee up to DC is then diverted to Alaska. Make sense? Maybe it does if you are a liberal, because we are all one happy family, with the same problems! Ha, eh SAME PROBLEMS!!!!! Oh, Mercy.
Quick , kick in the general welfare clause. Alaska needs more workers to move there, so the Feds need to make it happen.
You know that yall believe that. amazing
20 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidWhat's "amazing" is your total lack of understanding that humans join into societies for mutual aid and protection.
The link says tha Alaska will pay you $2000 to live there. They make this a pat of their budget...they have their reasons. I never contradict myself. I say let that state do anything they want to withTHEIR money. Who cares? It has nothing to do with Texas or Florda, or money that I pay in taxes. I imagine some here think the Fed govt should be involved someway. Ple ...[text shortened]... ers to move there, so the Feds need to make it happen.
You know that yall believe that. amazing
A society that would leave its People totally at that mercy of any natural disaster that comes along is not one any rational person would want to be a part of.
And "States" are no more of a logical division of such protection then cities/towns or neighborhoods/streets. The level of government required to adequately address the problem is what matters - not what piece of dirt has been arbitrarily included in a governmental entity.
20 Feb 21
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@no1marauder saidI'm not so sure. I think you are espousing the group thing, which is not a tenet of conservatism. We are an independent bunch, self reliant, freedom loving and heavy into liberty. (free from oppressive restrictions, imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior or political views). To subscribe to what you profess, means that Average Joe would have to sit his family down and say that their life is about to change. and that there will be a lot people talking, and instructions hanging around. It will no longer be beautiful,...... every time you put your heart into something, you have to think about 'other people', you have to toe the line. Your life wont be your own, as different people, like some who don't work as hard as others, will pull at you, a bit uncomfortably. If something you do does not smack well with them, well, they will say "Why?" As if , it is any of their business. But to you, it IS their business. Brrrrrrrr ( what if it is AOC?!!? Brrrr again)
What's "amazing" is your total lack of understanding that humans join into societies for mutual aid and protection.
A society that would leave its People totally at that mercy of any natural disaster that comes along is not one any rational person would want to be a part of.
And "States" are no more of a logical division of such protection then cities/towns or neigh ...[text shortened]... lem is what matters - not what piece of dirt has been arbitrarily included in a governmental entity.
You see, Marauder, you folks,liberals, make other people's business your business. This dilutes the inherent strength of strong patriots, who have a hard time being individuals, forging ahead, being successful, producing, so that those people who need that 'aid and protection' can find it.......among the conservatives in the society you mention.
Tell me, if 2000 of a cruise ship crash on an island, are yall gonna to actually tell me how to live on that island? I am going to be busy building a hut, minding my own business. I am charitable and will help if needed, of my own behest. Do not come over and ask me to give any thing to any person who does not pull his weight. Would not give them a fish.
But, I feel that your society would TELL me to??? Uh,,,,there goes that Liberty I mentioned. How do you feel about liberty? Would you just erase it from your flower-child society?
Sorry , got too long. I could go on for hours. I love this country. 🙂
"Conservatives eat what they kill. Liberals eat what other people kill"
Edit: Imagine if you will, my rambling on here as if I were a liberal. I would necessarily be writing about other , extraneous, whatever, people, Ithe group!! The meeting tonite! I just cannot imaginel, Marauder . We are 180 apart.
20 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidBecause you are a stubborn fool who argues against human nature and the very basis of human society i.e. mutual aid and protection. The type of bizarre selfishness that you espouse is anathema to our existence and adherence to it would have led long ago to our species' extinction.
I'm not so sure. I think you are espousing the group thing, which is not a tenet of conservatism. We are an independent bunch, self reliant, freedom loving and heavy into liberty. (free from oppressive restrictions, imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior or political views). To subscribe to what you profess, means that Average Joe would have to sit his fa ...[text shortened]... ver, people, Ithe group!! The meeting tonite! I just cannot imaginel, Marauder . We are 180 apart.
20 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidIt is the United States of America.
I’m fine with everything you said in the first paragraph, anybody can charge what they want to and anybody can pay anything they want
But then ARRGGGGGHHHHHHH, you mention that funny little place Denmark, you ruined your post here. Ruined, because there is no logic to compare the USA to Denmark. Why don’t you tell us what is going on in New Guinea? Really.....
...[text shortened]... think the government should go hell out to Alaska and bring them beef. ? Isn’t that their problem?
This is why they have a federal government. If there was a disaster in your State you would not be saying f*** it it's our problem.
NO!!!
you would be screaming at Biden and FEMA to help you.
20 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidIf there is no monopoly you have no point.
? Monopoly,? I just said that manipulation is a very bad thing. I guess that means monopolies are a very bad thing. Monopolies are despicable, one regulation of the government that I agree with. Thank God for the committees like the ones that jumped all over those Robin Hood people. What a bunch of creeps.
21 Feb 21
@no1marauder saidMarauder, should we get personal.? Curious...if we had another Normandy, could you muster any troops out of your constituents? I dont think so.
Because you are a stubborn fool who argues against human nature and the very basis of human society i.e. mutual aid and protection. The type of bizarre selfishness that you espouse is anathema to our existence and adherence to it would have led long ago to our species' extinction.
Remember I am a capitalist. We believe an entrepreneur amasses wealth through their own hard work. Our friend Suzianne HATES that. It benefits the country of course, but hate blinds you. You believe successful conservatives cheat the system. The opportunities here are so great that one not need cheat.
I have to throw this in, We are by and large Christian. I went tonight (swear to Jesus) to a wedding (florida west coast) where an LGBTQ woman (man?) officiated and substituted the word The Eternal in place of God. I am 78. How do you think I might have reacted. I personally believe, since you ae being personal, that Libs are hostile to anything Crhistian.
We believe sn the 2nd amendment, you don't, and prob will take our arms. Is it you who mentioned the Constitution, Marauder? You see the difficulty in conversing with you, do you? Do you? Chew on your pillow.
You believe in the life of a child being snuffed out by a 170 lb Doctor who has a knife. You never said you did not believe that, so, you do.
We like small govt, low taxes, balanced budget. You do not. One of us is wrong. You think govt can fix problems, we don't.
You proved yourself a Marxist a few months ago. So cut me some slack as I jaw with a dyed-in-the wool Marxist who would 'spread my stuff around' as your Obama once said. You gonna give my wealth to someone that I dont want to give it to? Does that sound logical? From whom to whom, Marauder.? Are you, too, a parasite, or just your friends and the ones you write about.?
And to being stubborn, do you mean I dont 'open my eyes' and accept your screed that we all fall in lock-step, and let us all FEED OFF OF EACH OTHER?!?!?? You are getting creepy, Marauder.
As to mutual aid and protection, to wrap this up, google who are the winners in the Giving Circle. It is the Republicans. The Conservatives. I have $110K a year in an account where I just call my accountant and have him mete it out over the year to whoever I want to have it. And that aint even the foundation that I manage, doing the same thing. Clearly you do not have to believe that, another Jesus swear, I am successful and spread it around. But you know, it is not the business of libs to know or have anything to do with what I do. THIS is where YOU are stubborn. Leave us the hell alone so that we can get along with growing this country while yall march in the streets.
I am arging FOR human nature. The reason you think that I am not is because you think that Human Nature is to lean on people, succor people, depend on people, pick up the scraps after the hyenas have left the bones.
You might as well quit the selfishness stuff. I aint.
Standing by.
21 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 saidThat is not human nature. You are brainwashed in decades of BS; from the Chicago boys via Rand to Raygun.
Marauder, should we get personal.? Curious...if we had another Normandy, could you muster any troops out of your constituents? I dont think so.
Remember I am a capitalist. We believe an entrepreneur amasses wealth through their own hard work. Our friend Suzianne HATES that. It benefits the country of course, but hate blinds you. You believe successful conservatives ...[text shortened]... as have left the bones.
You might as well quit the selfishness stuff. I aint.
Standing by.
Other than that. 78! Wow!
You are the embarrassing relative at the Thanksgiving meal!
21 Feb 21
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@shavixmir saidI wish this could be fun. We each have a medium where we can each to speak to people we find different. I will not preach anymore, sorry Marauder.
That is not human nature. You are brainwashed in decades of BS; from the Chicago boys via Rand to Raygun.
Other than that. 78! Wow!
You are the embarrassing relative at the Thanksgiving meal!
I think that you both are mistaking Human Nature with, what you are meaning, Societal Nature. I googled human nature. The FIRST two definitions I see..."The natural ways of behaving that most people share." "The behavior and feelings common to most people". Then, "It is only natural to want the best for your children" They could also say we breathe, we eat, we walk around and do things.
If you agree with this, answer me this. If a guy at a country club has been cutting the same grass for 35 years (I know hm) and does nothing else but breathe and eat, and one of my friends has a nice retirement and is skiing in Vail right now, is this an untenable situation in your eyes?
I wish we could have a nice impersonal conversation. Fun to learn the ins and outs of how one thinks like he does. Tell Marauder I am sorry I sound so selfish, I am just discussing simple concepts, such as getting ahead on your own (ahead of the other guy) but it seems to come off as a greedy (Suzianne word) creep. I just like success. Obama and liberals never speak to success. That may be my next question. I wish y'all would ask ME questions .
So what do you think about the scenario I wrote above? Hint: Kamala thinks that everyone should wind up in the same place at the end of the day..What?
21 Feb 21
@averagejoe1 said"We are an independent bunch, self reliant, "
I'm not so sure. I think you are espousing the group thing, which is not a tenet of conservatism. We are an independent bunch, self reliant, freedom loving and heavy into liberty. (free from oppressive restrictions, imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior or political views). To subscribe to what you profess, means that Average Joe would have to sit his fa ...[text shortened]... ver, people, Ithe group!! The meeting tonite! I just cannot imaginel, Marauder . We are 180 apart.
No you fukin aren't. You don't make your clothes or butcher your own cow. You don't put out the fire if your house catches fire. You never built a road in your life. You don't homeschool your children.
You rely on others. Everyone does. And as a society we have all agreed that since nobody can do everything they need for themselves we specialize and share the burden. And to make it easier to exchange services we use money to symbolize how many services one can get in exchange for ones labour.
You simply deem one's labour not worth enough to be able to survive, so they must put in double the hours just to make ends meet.
21 Feb 21
@zahlanzi saidPoor Averagejoe ....... all he wants is for America to return to the Little House on the Prairie societal model.
"We are an independent bunch, self reliant, "
No you fukin aren't. You don't make your clothes or butcher your own cow. You don't put out the fire if your house catches fire. You never built a road in your life. You don't homeschool your children.
You rely on others. Everyone does. And as a society we have all agreed that since nobody can do everything they need for the ...[text shortened]... not worth enough to be able to survive, so they must put in double the hours just to make ends meet.
The darn combination of human advancement aligned with the future keeps getting in the way.
21 Feb 21
@AverageJoe1 The fact is any market has rules and regulations, including capitalism. No one wants to buy dangerous cars or tainted food or get cheated or go to a doctor who is a quack and not qualified. No one wants to work or live in structures that are unsafe. There are rules about property, monopolies, contracts, bankruptcy and how rules will be enforced. The fact is, wealth in the U.S. has, through lobbying and the passage of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision in 2010 been able to purchase legislation that favors their interests which are often in opposition to the health and welfare of workers whose labor and taxes provide the infrastructure which is essential to the survival of businesses. Unions, the one organization designed to give working people some power, have largely been destroyed. The U.S. economy is based on consuming goods and services. As the middle class shrinks, so does their ability to stimulate the economy by purchasing goods and services. It is difficult to understand why conservatives think that elected officials who can be voted out of office on a regular basis are to blame for all that goes wrong rather than large, rich corporations whose objective is to make money for themselves at any cost to their workers and those who consume their products and services. Democrats are not interested in destroying wealth or preventing anyone from becoming rich. They are, however, interested in capitalism that works for the many rather than the few. The U.S. is not the only country with billionaires. Note China is in second place.
https://www.listsworld.com/top-10-countries-with-the-most-billionaires/