@Ponderable saidI'll admit that it is my opinion that there has never been a more effective president in our lifetime, Reagan 2nd place. Trump has gotten more work done since he got up a 3AM than Biden did in a week. Reagan tamed the Soviets, and Trump the Iranians, and the list goes on. You all obviously avoid praising his efforts with the 8 conflicts.
Well it was you and your frieds with the most silly "Trump was always right" who set the bar. So I expect never to read that again now.
You truly detest him personally, cutting off your nose to spite your face, Electing Kamala at spite America?? What in the hell??
Trump's end game around the corner, Suzianne and I wish he would tell us his thinking. Suzianne, she wants us to have a right to vote on his actions. Do you think she has a point?
@kmax87 saidRead your post. If what he does 'pisses off America', so be it. He is DOING< that is the point. And anyway to your point about 'all' Americans......,follow me for once...No one including you can make everyone happy all the time.
So pissing off all Americas allies and imposing surprise tariffs on all Americas friends was just for the camera’s and for Americas enemies. Right!
A perfect example? The tariffs piss off you and Sonhouse. I LOVE them. So, he did not piss off America. You guys are becoming quite flighty./. Have you read Marauder lately?
Oh, whataboutism roll, please.....Biden pissed of America.
@no1marauder saidRacist Intent?????? Does this mention race? Is this wrong about these illegals? I didn't write this, you know. And if you are a seasoned debater, my statement regards the immigrants that fit this def. Not all illegals, innocent womeh and children, but then are not even the women and nice guys, just by breaking our laws over the border, direct disregard of our social norms, fearless, bold!???!
You call people coming in from the 3rd world "savages" but deny racist intent? Not very convincing.
In the history of this country, there have always been those who opposed immigration based on ignorant bigotry so this is nothing new. That policies based on this ignorance are now being enforced (in some cases illegally by an administration with contempt for the law and its boundaries on executive power) at a time when it is economic folly to do so is unfortunate.
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"Someone or something that is brutally honest, fearless, unapologetically bold, or "cool in an uncontrolled kind of way". , ruthless actions, or impressive, direct behavior that disregards social norms. It can be a compliment for a badass attitude or a description of harshness. """"
Report in, how am I wrong. What would you call them in a descriptive manner that sets them apart, a tad apart from me. and from Kmax, and Wildgrass. What is the diff??
@AverageJoe1 saidThe difference? You're an ignorant racist and they are not is one thing relevant to the off-topic discussion you initiated.
Racist Intent?????? Does this mention race? Is this wrong about these illegals? I didn't write this, you know. And if you are a seasoned debater, my statement regards the immigrants that fit this def. Not all illegals, innocent womeh and children, but then are not even the women and nice guys, just by breaking our laws over the border, direct disregard of our social ...[text shortened]... manner that sets them apart, a tad apart from me. and from Kmax, and Wildgrass. What is the diff??
@no1marauder saidYou are right in the matter of campaigning. He speaks very positively to gain support, says a lot of things as do all candidates for all offices in the country. The NYC mayor made promises which we can safely call 'lie'. It is the nature of the beast, i guess there have been millions of lies over the last century. Maybe not Lincoln. So that is that on the domestic front.
You've got it wrong; Trump's social media posts are directed at people like you, his gullible, sycophantic supporters, not foreign governments. Those are contacted through diplomatic channels either directly or through third parties not on Truth Social. His posts there are aimed at the minority here, his sympathetic domestic audience, who believes whatever he tells them a ...[text shortened]... mindedly accept his assurances that all is well and going exactly according to his "brilliant plan".
Except for this , since you make this topic about presidential lies:
The Cover-up of Cognitive Decline: Many commentators and political opponents labeled the administration's claims that Biden was fit for another term as the "lie of the year" in 2024–2025, suggesting a long-term cover-up of his health.The Hunter Biden Laptop Story: Critics often point to the claim, made by Biden and others during the 2020 campaign, that Hunter Biden’s laptop was "Russian disinformation." The information on the laptop was later validated, with some calling this the "biggest lie" of the administration's initial phase.The "Unsolvable" Border Crisis: Critics, including those in the CIS, argued that Biden falsely claimed the border crisis was uncontrollable without new legislation, which they labeled as a pretext to avoid enforcing existing immigration laws.Economy and Inflation Claims: Critics frequently challenged claims about the cause of inflation, with opponents arguing that, contrary to White House statements, the "$1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan" actually fueled the crisis.Involvement in Family Business Dealings: House investigators and political opponents alleged that Biden lied repeatedly about having no involvement or knowledge regarding his son Hunter’s foreign business dealings."
{ And being a lawyer you should be astounded at this one, his lying about his records{
https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-joe-biden-lies-about-his-college-high-school-record/4821169
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@no1marauder saidYour answer to my post has personal attacks, "which are not relevant to the discussion", which is my describing the illegals as savage. We discuss the immigrants, not me. Have you in your practice had difficulty with issues>
The difference? You're an ignorant racist and they are not is one thing relevant to the off-topic discussion you initiated.
Issues 101.
My favorite light bulb early on was the concept of privilege vs right., applies in just about every circumstance. I have a feeling that you never got that concept, maybe reversed the two!!!
Did you see Kmax and WGrass arguing with me on my question ....Does any person have a right to the labor of another person? That is yes/no question.. why can no one answer it? Can you?
@no1marauder saidHis 'brilliant plan' comment, he speaks positively to us, as he did with COVID.
You've got it wrong; Trump's social media posts are directed at people like you, his gullible, sycophantic supporters, not foreign governments. Those are contacted through diplomatic channels either directly or through third parties not on Truth Social. His posts there are aimed at the minority here, his sympathetic domestic audience, who believes whatever he tells them a ...[text shortened]... mindedly accept his assurances that all is well and going exactly according to his "brilliant plan".
Regarding his plans, they naturally change with all the people (Putin!!?!?!?) and his 25 balls in the air.
I have often had plans which changed during the course of a process. Have you not. Jut how much perfection do you want with his 50 (did I say 25?) balls in the air?
You call me a racist? I call you emotional.
@AverageJoe1 saidNot Americans but America's allies. Are you unable to comprehend or have you had a few too many??
Read your post. If what he does 'pisses off America', so be it. He is DOING< that is the point. And anyway to your point about 'all' Americans......,follow me for once...No one including you can make everyone happy all the time.
A perfect example? The tariffs piss off you and Sonhouse. I LOVE them. So, he did not piss off America. You guys are becoming quite fli ...[text shortened]... ty./. Have you read Marauder lately?
Oh, whataboutism roll, please.....Biden pissed of America.
@AverageJoe1 saidThat is silly. You think he is telling us Iran is begging for a deal when Iran already knows that is a lie to fool Iran? No you fool. He is trying to infect the minds of you and everyone else but Iran since they already know it is a lie.
What if a president actually creates propoganda to infect the mind if the enemy? Remember he is not talking to us, in the meat of the matter.
It really irks Suzianne.
Next absurdity for your faith in the lies of Trump?
Trump is the one who wants a deal badly. But he wants to get a good deal at the same time to save face. That ship has sailed. That will NEVER happen.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/05/07/768181/-Recognition-of-Iran%E2%80%99s-rights-help-end-US-Israel-war--Defense-Ministry
@AverageJoe1 saidThat is war disinformation before a military operation takes place. That is different than lying about a military operation that failed and is over. That lie is meant to deceive you, not Iran.
Was Eisenhower stupid when he LIED!!! LIED,, I SAY!!! that we were going to come ashore at Calais??. A horrible president, and he had a pallid skin color!!
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/04/07/766446/press-tv-exclusive-us-suffered-strategic-defeat-failed-isfshan-operation
And this also proved Iran has aircraft defense which Trump said they had none. That lie was also meant for you. To convince you the war is going better for Trump than it is.
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@kmax87 saidKmaz did say pissing of American allies, I did not see that. So, it does raise this question......how do you expect a director of war, with so many parts, to not piss off one ally while improving the life of another.? That would be naive. Your post is saying that Trump's decisions and actions piss 'some' countries off.
Not Americans but America's allies. Are you unable to comprehend or have you had a few too many??
Country A is really pissed, that Trump has fouled up Hormuz with the long-range plan, among others, to deny nuclear to Iran. ISRAEL IS ELATED, as they wold be the first target to be obliterated, children in hospitals will die...
HOWEVER, Kmax, you silly guy, Country A will be pissed, (while Israel is elated,) that Trump is fouling up Hormuz and Country A is NOT GETTING OIL!!!~
I think that says it, in explanation of how you are a bit off track to randomly say Trump is pissing of some countries. What a stupid comment. Short-sighted.
@Metal-Brain saidHe is hardly attempting to affect OUR minds, his eye is only on negotiatingwith savages. That is enough balls in the air. He wants to win big in the end, not placate us along the way as he does what we asked him to do.....in short, protect our country.
That is silly. You think he is telling us Iran is begging for a deal when Iran already knows that is a lie to fool Iran? No you fool. He is trying to infect the minds of you and everyone else but Iran since they already know it is a lie.
Next absurdity for your faith in the lies of Trump?
Trump is the one who wants a deal badly. But he wants to get a good deal at th ...[text shortened]... ail/2026/05/07/768181/-Recognition-of-Iran%E2%80%99s-rights-help-end-US-Israel-war--Defense-Ministry
For example, he, like you, knows that Iran knows that he is telling a lie. I think he told a few llike that when he bought a piece of real estate in NYC. He is way ahead of the heathens, it is like a fox negotiating with a chicken.
Let me get this sraight? a good deal will never happen?
@Metal-Brain saidYou again tell us what is intended by 'the liar' when the liar lies. What a laugh. You are saying too that a lie (what lie is that, trump prob tells the heathens many) is NOT meant to deceive Iran???
That is war disinformation before a military operation takes place. That is different than lying about a military operation that failed and is over. That lie is meant to deceive you, not Iran.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/04/07/766446/press-tv-exclusive-us-suffered-strategic-defeat-failed-isfshan-operation
And this also proved Iran has aircraft defense which T ...[text shortened]... none. That lie was also meant for you. To convince you the war is going better for Trump than it is.
You are at the negotiating table? What did Trump say an hour ago? Was it a lie? Will it win the war for us? A bad lie or a good lie? Does it make a scintilla of difference?? (cant you see Rubio.."oh, sir, that would be a lie'.). You are lightweights, this is nuclear devastation we are talking about. Maybe like Mandani, you hae Israel?
Enjoyable as I have my coffee.
Y'all are wearing the forum out about how Trump thinks. More fun to watch him. Lord I'm glad Sunhouse has not weighed in. That would be over overloaded.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYou're off-topic in your own off-topic discussion but Trump's closing of the border was accomplished primarily by an Executive Order ending the ability of those who cross the border, besides at entry points, to apply for asylum. An appeals court has found this to be illegal.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/appeals-court-blocks-trumps-asylum-crackdown-at-u-s-mexico-border/
You are right in the matter of campaigning. He speaks very positively to gain support, says a lot of things as do all candidates for all offices in the country. The NYC mayor made promises which we can safely call 'lie'. It is the nature of the beast, i guess there have been millions of lies over the last century. Maybe not Lincoln. So that is that on the domestic fr ...[text shortened]... .org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-joe-biden-lies-about-his-college-high-school-record/4821169
Your other examples are equally dubious: there was worldwide inflation in the aftermath of COVID due to pent up demand and supply chain issues which affected almost all industrialized countries regardless of their fiscal policies. And despite years of trying, Republicans have dismally failed to produce any evidence of Joe's involvement in any of Hunter's businesses.