@e4e5f4d5 saidDid you get this from the "How to Argue with Liberals" booklet? In the "How to Not Look Like a Racist When You Argue" section?
You're the one putting labels on them.
You say "black man or black woman" instead of just their names.
YOU are the one who thinks he is superior to them.
Well, we're not buying it.
In other words, we should just ignore the evidence of discrimination.
This is such bullcrap. A company that is hiring wants someone that is ready to
go, and they don't want to do studies on each applicant to find out what each
person's background is **other than** grades in school. What is so hard to understand?
That results in a discrimination by intellect, NOT RACE.
We should assume, without any data, that blacks perform more poorly at every educational level even when they succeed in completing it.
I didn't say that. YOU did. And educators - by their actions, do. If the two groups
had equal grades there would be no need to mitigate the differences between
the two because their would be no differences. So yeaah, you agree and
educators agree, there is a difference. As to what causes it takes a study, not
PRESUMTION, which is what YOU do.
And you wonder why POC overwhelmingly reject right wing policies and politicians.
Yes, because we are not racists. Leftists are.
Your head in the sand attitude is no less poisonous than the thinly veiled racist attitudes of the other poster.
Your head is in racist mode and there is no help for your ilk. none.
Do you honestly think the NBA considers the lack of white people in the league
as cause for discriminatory practices to get more white people onto teams??
PLEASE! your racist tactics are such BS.
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@earl-of-trumps saidNo, your argument is entirely based on racist stereotypes without a shred of evidence to support it. You haven't shown one bit of data to support your assertion that blacks who complete college, for example, have lower grades than whites who do but that is the basis for your entire suppositions. I'm sure you believe that (like you believe a lot of racist propaganda) but you haven't even begun to support such a belief (probably because you can't).
@no1marauderIn other words, we should just ignore the evidence of discrimination.
This is such bullcrap. A company that is hiring wants someone that is ready to
go, and they don't want to do studies on each applicant to find out what each
person's background is **other than** grades in school. What is so hard to understand?
That results in a ...[text shortened]... minatory practices to get more white people onto teams??
PLEASE! your racist tactics are such BS.
To some extent, studies have shown it doesn't even matter what grades POC get compared to whites; equally qualified blacks are less likely to get responses to their job applications than whites will:
"Field experiments of hiring discrimination are experimental studies in which fictionalized matched candidates from different racial or ethnic groups apply for jobs. These studies include both resume audits, in which fictionalized resumes with distinct racial names are submitted online or by mail (e.g., ref. 19), and in-person audits, in which racially dissimilar but otherwise matched pairs of trained testers apply for jobs (e.g., ref. 20)."
"This study investigates change over time in the level of hiring discrimination in US labor markets. We perform a meta-analysis of every available field experiment of hiring discrimination against African Americans or Latinos (n = 28). Together, these studies represent 55,842 applications submitted for 26,326 positions. We focus on trends since 1989 (n = 24 studies), when field experiments became more common and improved methodologically. Since 1989, whites receive on average 36% more callbacks than African Americans, and 24% more callbacks than Latinos. We observe no change in the level of hiring discrimination against African Americans over the past 25 years, although we find modest evidence of a decline in discrimination against Latinos. Accounting for applicant education, applicant gender, study method, occupational groups, and local labor market conditions does little to alter this result. Contrary to claims of declining discrimination in American society, our estimates suggest that levels of discrimination remain largely unchanged, at least at the point of hire."
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/09/11/1706255114
So unlike your suppositions, we have solid evidence of hiring discrimination based on many studies.
EDIT: And maybe you could explain why whites who are high school dropouts make more than blacks who are high school dropouts (about $10,000 more per year: https://www.statista.com/statistics/184259/mean-earnings-by-educational-attainment-and-ethnic-group/.) Are employers impressed by their grades too? Do they have a higher "INTELLECT" also?
@no1marauder - No, your argument is entirely based on racist stereotypes without a shred of evidence to support it. You haven't shown one bit of data to support your assertion that blacks who complete college, for example, have lower grades than whites who do but that is the basis for your entire suppositions. I'm sure you believe that (like you believe a lot of racist propaganda) but you haven't even begun to support such a belief (probably because you can't).
Sorry, but your evaluation of the situation is based on a racist stereotype - that
African Americans have lower grades because of racism. Total bullcrap. And it's
racist. There has been blatant racism in America against Asians, Jews, Irish,
Italians and more. There simply is no correlation between racism and learning ability.
And I think you even agree with me that colleges enter African Americans
with lower SAT scores so as to give advantage. However, if African Americans
got into university with lower SAT's, how much of a stretch is it to imagine that
African Americans won't graduate with grades that are as good as others - like
Asians, Jews, etc.? It's not a stretch at all.
So as you can see, your thrust is based totally on racist stereotypes, my view is
based on agreed to fact.
Have a nice racist day.
@wolfgang59 saidwhat color was Davy? I have never heard of him. Maybe that is because he didnt invent a viable light bulb?
The point is that neither you nor I had heard of Latimer
... because he was black.
Heard of Alexander Dumas? (3 musketeers etc.)
His grandmother was a black slave.
It wasn't until over a hundred years after his death that his
remains could be interred with other great French writers.
Just an example of a black man being pushed out of history.
Heard of Florence Nightingale but not Mary Seacole?
It goes on and on.
@earl-of-trumps saidcareful with telling the truth...makes um mad
@no1marauder - [i]No, your argument is entirely based on racist stereotypes without a shred of evidence to support it. You haven't shown one bit of data to support your assertion that blacks who complete college, for example, have lower grades than whites who do but that is the basis for your entire suppositions. I'm sure you believe that (like you believe a lot of ra ...[text shortened]... ased totally on racist stereotypes, my view is
based on agreed to fact.
Have a nice racist day.
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@earl-of-trumps saidYOU are the one asserting that African American who complete educational layers have lower grades than whites, not me. YOU are then using that claim to justify discriminatory treatment by employers.
@no1marauder - [i]No, your argument is entirely based on racist stereotypes without a shred of evidence to support it. You haven't shown one bit of data to support your assertion that blacks who complete college, for example, have lower grades than whites who do but that is the basis for your entire suppositions. I'm sure you believe that (like you believe a lot of ra ...[text shortened]... ased totally on racist stereotypes, my view is
based on agreed to fact.
Have a nice racist day.
The data makes mincemeat of your ridiculous claims. That there exists discrimination in hiring is supported by numerous studies as I've already pointed out. And income differences persist even when we compare whites and blacks who didn't even graduate from high school!
Yet, you claim "INTELLECT" is why there are these race based differences in results. But oh no, you're not making "racist" claims!
So a direct question: Is your claim that whites who drop out of high school have a higher "INTELLECT" than blacks who do the same? If not, how do you account for the FACT that a median white dropout makes about $10,000 more per year than an average black one?
Please answer.
EDIT: And, of course, contrary to your "There simply is no correlation between racism and learning ability", institutionalized and systemic racism makes it harder for POC in the US to reach equivalent educational levels. So there is a correlation between the levels of racism in society and the opportunity for some to learn, though not in their "learning ability".
@no1marauder saidit is ironic that you liberals are shouting racism when your candidate is an old white guy 50 yr politician that chose his running mate based solely on their skin color.
YOU are the one asserting that African American who complete educational layers have lower grades than whites, not me. YOU are then using that claim to justify discriminatory treatment by employers.
The data makes mincemeat of your ridiculous claims. That there exists discrimination in hiring is supported by numerous studies as I've already pointed out. And income dif ...[text shortened]... of racism in society and the opportunity for some to learn, though not in their "learning ability".
@mott-the-hoople saidOf course, Biden wasn't "liberals" favored candidate and of course, Harris wasn't picked "based solely on [her] skin color". But you know that.
it is ironic that you liberals are shouting racism when your candidate is an old white guy 50 yr politician that chose his running mate based solely on their skin color.
The great majority of "liberals" are going to vote to oust Donald Trump not to promote a centrist Democrat.
@no1marauder saidahhh... black female...my bad
Of course, Biden wasn't "liberals" favored candidate and of course, Harris wasn't picked "based solely on [her] skin color". But you know that.
The great majority of "liberals" are going to vote to oust Donald Trump not to promote a centrist Democrat.
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@no1marauder YOU are the one asserting that African American who complete educational layers have lower grades than whites, not me.
I'm asserting it...? Meanwhile Universities are doing it, unless you care to
challenge that. No1, we cannot go any further in this discussion unless
we iron this out so we can have some common ground of agreement to work
with. We can't be working with different sets of "facts " if we intend to have a
civil discussion. So let us begin.
Q: Do some African Americans gain entrance to University via black set-aside positions?
This is YES or NO, please.
Q: If YES, then is it not reasonable and logical this is done because, of
their own volition, (high school transcripts, SAT's), many African Americans
would not qualify to get in?
This, too, is YES or NO.
If we cannot establish an agreed to base to work with, there is no sense going
any further. I think you may agree.
@mott-the-hoople saidSir Humphrey Davy discovered potassium.
Davy? I have never heard of him. Maybe that is because he didnt invent a viable light bulb?
And sodium.
And calcium
And chlorine.
And a lot more elements
He invented the arc lamp.
He invented the Safety Lamp for mining.
Faraday worked under him. (You've heard of Faraday ... a hero of Einstein's)
Seriously. If you haven't heard of Davy how many scientists have you heard of?