@PuzZuLz saidNonsense. Lots of white nationalists hate the “ZOG” (Zionist Occupied Government)
Hard not to be when everyone who is anti American is also anti white.
@AThousandYoung saidIs that not the different interpretation of nationalistic vs patriotic?
Not quite. In the early 20th century many patriotic German Jews found themselves targets of nationalistic German Nordics.
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@AThousandYoung saidTrue but the new Democrats are really anti White.
Nonsense. Lots of white nationalists hate the “ZOG” (Zionist Occupied Government)
Why would we side with them?
@shavixmir saidI don’t understand your question.
Is that not the different interpretation of nationalistic vs patriotic?
The idea that a “nation” is an ethnicity is not new. Genesis has a “table of nations” despite the fact that nation-states wouldn’t be invented for 2000+ years.
Nationhood historically arose in contrast to imperialism. Nationalism says a cultural ethnic group should rule itself instead of being imperialist by outsiders. Thus Hungarian and Austrian nationalism was in direct opposition to Austro-Hungarian imperialism.
If you doubt my description of nationalism is accurate look up a definition. You will always see mention of cultural commonality. Not just political commonality.
@AThousandYoung saidWhat has nation to do with ethnicity?
I don’t understand your question.
The idea that a “nation” is an ethnicity is not new. Genesis has a “table of nations” despite the fact that nation-states wouldn’t be invented for 2000+ years.
Nationhood historically arose in contrast to imperialism. Nationalism says a cultural ethnic group should rule itself instead of being imperialist by outsiders. Thus Hu ...[text shortened]... a definition. You will always see mention of cultural commonality. Not just political commonality.
If one is patriotic, what do they enforce?
If one is nationalist, what do they enforce?
It seems two of the same sides of a coin to me.
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@shavixmir said
What has nation to do with ethnicity?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalities
2a: an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation)
2b: a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state
@AThousandYoung saidThat’s nationalities.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalities
2a: an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation)
2b: a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state
That’s no the same as nation. Or nationalism.
@shavixmir saidA patriot “enforces” loyalty to the State (i.e. “country” though that technically refers to a location not a political entity).
If one is patriotic, what do they enforce?
If one is nationalist, what do they enforce?
A nationalist “enforces” loyalty to the dominant ethnic group in a place.
@AThousandYoung saidInteresting. I'd always thought of "country" and "nation" as synonymous.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalities
2a: an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation)
2b: a people having a common origin, tradition, and language and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation-state
But this definition would says the Kurds are a "nationality" though they presently live in several contiguous countries, correct?
@shavixmir saidNotice the part that says only a nationality can make a nation state?
That’s nationalities.
That’s no the same as nation. Or nationalism.
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@no1marauder saidThe Kurds are a nationality that lives in one country different parts of which are controlled by various multiple states.
Interesting. I'd always thought of "country" and "nation" as synonymous.
But this definition would says the Kurds are a "nationality" though they presently live in several contiguous countries, correct?
Of course in common speech these words are used more casually. Kind of like how “theory” means something different in a scientific context.
@no1marauder saidDifferent words are different for a reason. Sometimes synonyms exist because they come from different languages but sometimes we just forget the differences. In this age where nation states have triumphed over empires we are forgetting the differences.
Interesting. I'd always thought of "country" and "nation" as synonymous.
But this definition would says the Kurds are a "nationality" though they presently live in several contiguous countries, correct?
Ever thought about how the US is one Nation which has fifty States but the UK is one State with four Nations?
Also consider what White Nationalism, Black Nationalism, Chicano Nationalism are all about. These aren’t just groups of proud Americans.
@AThousandYoung saidNope. I did not notice that.
Notice the part that says only a nationality can make a nation state?
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@AThousandYoung saidIf one looks at a map one can see Kurdistan is ONE contiguous Country inhabited by one Nation which has no Nation-State. Instead various neighboring States control different parts of it.
The Kurds are a nationality that lives in one country different parts of which are controlled by various multiple states.
Of course in common speech these words are used more casually. Kind of like how “theory” means something different in a scientific context.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Kurdistan
One could say Ireland is one Country with two States on it, one of which is an indigenous Nation-State, the other being whatever Northern Ireland is*.
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PS Capital letters are never used consistently in this kind of context but are often present to emphasize the formal definitions