@no1marauder saidI answered you. Did you notice the word “could’, there is also ALWAYS more to the story that liberals say, and what would be legal or not.
https://govfacts.org/immigration/citizenship/what-the-supreme-courts-birthright-citizenship-case-could-mean-for-millions-of-americans/
The question of "what would replace it" is what I asked you.
@lstcyr saidIm not getting something here. I noticed you said its the law.
Come on, man, have a conversation. There's nothing in what you said previously that I haven't responded to in a serious manner with facts. Maybe you could try that?
- So is the law being followed?
- why are you opposing AvJoe who is saying that the law is not always followed.
- if the law is not being followed always why are there people saying it does not matter.
I have seen this conversation over and over. In all countries nobody can vote unless proof of citizenship, preferably and mostly with a photo ID.
If the US is not there yet then something is sadly wrong, and something is wrong with anyone opposing an improvement in the voting requirements.
@mike69 saidNo, you didn't because you weren't even aware that this administration is trying to end birthright citizenship (and probably still aren't since you obviously didn't bother to read the link I provided).
I answered you. Did you notice the word “could’, there is also ALWAYS more to the story that liberals say, and what would be legal or not.
@lstcyr saidYou are asked if you would like to update your voter registration information. You still have to legally prove you are the person listed. When I vote they ask me for proof I am who I say I am by predetermined items of proof. Nice to see you don’t want the fairest possible elections as possible by these silly comments.
You are trying to close pinpricks and very isolated examples by making voting more difficult for everyone. Why not go the other way? For every birth in the U.S., creat an automatic voting record online. For every passport issued, create a voting registration. For every citizen getting a driver's license, create an automatic voting registration. If you do that, then the number ...[text shortened]... , I forgot the intent is not to get people to vote but to stop the wrong people from voting. Got it.
@no1marauder saidOk d wad are you talking about people just showing up at the end of their pregnancy to have their child here then go back to their country
No, you didn't because you weren't even aware that this administration is trying to end birthright citizenship (and probably still aren't since you obviously didn't bother to read the link I provided).
@Rajk999 saidThe "laws" are generally being followed with only a very miniscule number of exceptions that have been prosecuted. I say "laws" because each state determines how people vote. They can NOT allow non-citizens to vote but how they register them is up to the states according to the constitution.
Im not getting something here. I noticed you said its the law.
- So is the law being followed?
- why are you opposing AvJoe who is saying that the law is not always followed.
- if the law is not being followed always why are there people saying it does not matter.
I have seen this conversation over and over. In all countries nobody can vote unless proof of citizen ...[text shortened]... sadly wrong, and something is wrong with anyone opposing an improvement in the voting requirements.
I am opposing AvJoe because what he is saying is just not true. There are facts and then there is what he believes and says.
I do not know where you think people have said that it doesn't matter that the law is followed. Would you tell me where you got that?
There is nowhere in the US that I am aware of where you can register to vote without proof of citizenship. What is wrong with this new bill is that it makes it severely harder to register to vote by creating barriers. For example, if your wife changed her name to yours when you were married, she would have to jump through hoops to get registered because her birth certificate name does not match her present name. She would have to prove how the name changed. Or she could get a passport at a cost of several hundred dollars. Why?
@mike69 saidNot quite as simple as you say it is. That's what they want you to believe. If you're a married woman who changed her name, your birth certificate does not now match your id. Oops, you're screwed and can't vote. Is it worth it to you to pay several hundred dollars for a passport.
You are asked if you would like to update your voter registration information. You still have to legally prove you are the person listed. When I vote they ask me for proof I am who I say I am by predetermined items of proof. Nice to see you don’t want the fairest possible elections as possible by these silly comments.
Still interested in why the answer to the problem is to automatically register folks when they are born, get a passport, valid driver's license? You can then check them with an id when they come to vote AS THEY DO NOW.
@mike69 saidI'm talking about if the concept of birthright citizenship is not longer followed in US law as right wingers are insisting it shouldn't be, a birth certificate won't prove citizenship like it does now and will thus be worthless for voter registration.
Ok d wad are you talking about people just showing up at the end of their pregnancy to have their child here then go back to their country
@lstcyr saidActually to get a passport, you have to present a birth certificate if you were born in the US. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html
Not quite as simple as you say it is. That's what they want you to believe. If you're a married woman who changed her name, your birth certificate does not now match your id. Oops, you're screwed and can't vote. Is it worth it to you to pay several hundred dollars for a passport.
Still interested in why the answer to the problem is to automatically register folks when they ar ...[text shortened]... t, valid driver's license? You can then check them with an id when they come to vote AS THEY DO NOW.
Again, if right wingers get their way, I have no idea and neither do they apparently, what would replace it.
@lstcyr saidYou seem to have issues understanding things unless it’s just more from the dishonest dems feeding you things you should be able to figure out yourself and know their lies. I’m not even sure if they can even be called dems anymore.
The "laws" are generally being followed with only a very miniscule number of exceptions that have been prosecuted. I say "laws" because each state determines how people vote. They can NOT allow non-citizens to vote but how they register them is up to the states according to the constitution.
I am opposing AvJoe because what he is saying is just not true. There are facts and t ...[text shortened]... o prove how the name changed. Or she could get a passport at a cost of several hundred dollars. Why?
@no1marauder saidWhat is your idea of correct?
I'm talking about if the concept of birthright citizenship is not longer followed in US law as right wingers are insisting it shouldn't be, a birth certificate won't prove citizenship like it does now and will thus be worthless for voter registration.
@AverageJoe1 saidWell maybe you could explain how it aids in voter identification to require someone who has moved (like close to 10% of voters do every year) to have to go down to their DMV with a birth certificate to get an address change on their photo ID, and then march down to the Board of Elections office with their new ID and a birth certificate to have the latter change that address on their records. Unless you do both, you won't get to vote according to the SAVE Act.
If I may avoid all of these pitiful posts, were you all lose your mind, my question was rhetorical. The answer is yes we all know that. So there’s a follow up question not so rhetorical.
A person comes to a voting booth and the docent sitting there unpaid has to be sure he is a citizen. And by the way handwriting does not work. The docent is my aunt Plum and she has ...[text shortened]... that citizens prove themselves. Assume all y’all agree with that, what would be their best process?
@lstcyr saidSo the law is not being followed. Miniscule is a matter of opinion. Something like voting is a critical matter that should not be left up to state law. That should be federal law and the same across the board for all states. Nobody conducts business without proper ID. Apparently only in the US ...
The "laws" are generally being followed with only a very miniscule number of exceptions that have been prosecuted. I say "laws" because each state determines how people vote. They can NOT allow non-citizens to vote but how they register them is up to the states according to the constitution.
I am opposing AvJoe because what he is saying is just not true. There are facts and t ...[text shortened]... o prove how the name changed. Or she could get a passport at a cost of several hundred dollars. Why?
Apart from AvJoe there are credible reports from reputable sources that have commented on voting fraud, by both parties and it should be fixed.
There are standards for registering voters all over the world, and the standard is proof of citizenship with a photo ID. If that creates 'barriers', then it should be enforced regardless.
@lstcyr saidOmg dumb, you just don’t quit do you😂😂😂. Have you been married, and it is easy.
Not quite as simple as you say it is. That's what they want you to believe. If you're a married woman who changed her name, your birth certificate does not now match your id. Oops, you're screwed and can't vote. Is it worth it to you to pay several hundred dollars for a passport.
Still interested in why the answer to the problem is to automatically register folks when they ar ...[text shortened]... t, valid driver's license? You can then check them with an id when they come to vote AS THEY DO NOW.