Socialistic opening of groc stores in Chicago

@wajoma said
Nothing in your post is capitalism, that's why you're so mixed up.

Edit: Please provide a reputable definition of capitalism that says withhold the food LOL

@athousandyoung said
I have no idea what is "reputable" to your warped mind because you have a "No True Scotsman" view of what capitalism is.

But one of our favorite fictional characters - Francisco D'Anconia - who is held up as some sort of Objectivist ideal just short of John Galt himself - can help illustrate my point.

Francisco D'Anconia, the heir to a copper fortune who started ...[text shortened]... could monopolize the pan-American copper industry.

That's how real world capitalists do things.

A real world example is how Chiquita Banana and the Dole fruit company used the US military to force smaller, weaker Latin American countries to accept deals that only benefitted the fruit companies.

@wajoma said
yes, and pirates haha

Since we're on the topic of both government propping up capitalists and piracy, let's all admire Standard Fruit's FOUR CLEMSON CLASS DESTROYERS.

I wonder what they needed those for?

We might also consider the Dutch East India Company and it's region-dominating navy. Not too far off from piracy when private corporations are using huge fleets of armed ships to increase their negotiating position.

https://nerdfighteria.info/v/zPIhMJGWiM8/

Jan Pieterszoon Coen writing to the Dutch government:

"Your Honors should know by experience that trade in Asia must be driven and maintained under the protection and favor of your Honors' own weapons, and that the weapons must be paid for by the profits from the trade, so that we cannot carry on trade without war, nor war without trade."

@athousandyoung said
Sadly capitalism is based on the use of government force to coerce the population to pay the capitalists e.g. the way housing prices and cost of housing is kept artificially high by making homelessness illegal or the way food prices are kept high by making it illegal to give people food

@wajoma said
Nothing in your post is capitalism, that's why you're so mixed up.

Edit: Please provide a reputable definition of capitalism that says withhold the food LOL

@AThousandYoung
Francisco D'Anconia, the heir to a copper fortune who started taking over the Mexican copper industry with his allowance, negotiated with the US Government to block copper shipments to the USA so he could monopolize the pan-American copper industry.

That's how real world capitalists do things.
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@AThousandYoung
A real world example is how Chiquita Banana and the Dole fruit company used the US military to force smaller, weaker Latin American countries to accept deals that only benefitted the fruit companies.
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This is precisely why I'm a free marketeer, and greatly oppose capitalism.
It's *possible* that capitalism can be used in a sensible way but you simply cannot trust the people in power.

@averagejoe1 said
As stores, like several Walmarts, are leaving crime-ridden Chicago. Chicago is gong to open CITY-OWNED grocery stores!!
You will pay more, as city cannot negotiate prices, and shoplifting, the city will lose money, the citizens, the poor who are looking for food, will pay more. Then as this loss of money increases, city taxes will be increased. People with cars can go elsewhere to shop, but the poor are in danger.
I report, you ponder.

@earl-of-trumps said
@AThousandYoung
Francisco D'Anconia, the heir to a copper fortune who started taking over the Mexican copper industry with his allowance, negotiated with the US Government to block copper shipments to the USA so he could monopolize the pan-American copper industry.

That's how real world capitalists do things.
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@AThousandYoung
A real world example is how Chiq ...[text shortened]... ible* that capitalism can be used in a sensible way but you simply cannot trust the people in power.

@soothfast said
Sounds like a great idea. But as with most any policy, the success or lack thereof will depend on how it's implemented.

And you know what? It's just damned sad you don't even think about solutions, much less how to implement them. You just whine. Constantly. Like a spoiled two-year-old. How can you stand yourself?

@wajoma said
There's nothing great about. Legitimate businesses that pay tax are being forced to fund their opposition. This happens in all circumstances where the goobermint enters into a private market. Legitimate honest business people are forced to fund their own destruction through taxation.

@soothfast said
Sounds like a great idea. But as with most any policy, the success or lack thereof will depend on how it's implemented.

And you know what? It's just damned sad you don't even think about solutions, much less how to implement them. You just whine. Constantly. Like a spoiled two-year-old. How can you stand yourself?

@soothfast said
The privateers are not serving a market (the inner cities). So local government must fill the vacuum. It is not tenable to have city centers devoid of basic things like supermarkets. Your fragile, rigid, and deeply flawed worldview will just have to take the hit on this one.