Stop blaming BLM

@no1marauder said
It's off-topic, but there is no such thing as a "birth gender".

@no1marauder said
You have almost zero knowledge of what actually transpired but because this kid killed some people who have political views you don't like you are willing to release him without even a trial.

Sick.

@philokalia said
If a Nazi attacks a black person who is standing in the way of them burning their car, isn't it a public good that justice won out by having the black person legally and properly defend themselves against the attacks of a maniacal Nazi?

I think you can figure out the rest of this from here.

Tell me how this would not be a parallel to the above.

@kevcvs57 said
They weren’t nazis, are you even sure it was his car. I wouldn’t kill two people to protect my car on account of having a comprehensive insurance policy, was the murderer driving whilst uninsured is that ok in the US?

@philokalia said
(1) ... You are supposed to think of this situation as applicable in any variety of political combinations.

(2) When people are brandishing guns and shooting, then someone charges you, potentially to strip you of your gun and shoot you, would you open fire?

(3) I'd show my gun to someone for my car.

If they kept coming, I could only conclude that they [i]really ...[text shortened]... eone is dumb enough to charge a man holding a gun and not accept the deterrent, what can anyone do?!

Great article in the Milwaukee Sentinel Journal: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2020/08/30/witnesses-detail-kenosha-shooting-seeing-kyle-rittenhouse-protest-jacob-blake-wisconsin-17-year-old/5656907002/

It shows Rittenhouse and other "militia" members were aiming guns at people constantly and that the police forced the protesters to the area where the "militia" was.

Some excerpts:

"Jeremiah just wanted to find his car and go home, but he was trapped.

A massive line of police in riot gear had just forced him and hundreds of other protesters out of Kenosha's Civic Center Park and into the street. After that, there was nowhere to go. Soldiers and cops blocked one end of the road. White guys with big guns blocked the other.

It was past 11 p.m. Tuesday, the third night of protests after a Kenosha police officer shot Jacob Blake seven times in the back. Jeremiah had received a text from a friend saying a bunch of protesters had their tires slashed. He wanted to get to his car before vandals did. He decided the quickest path was to cut through a parking lot.

As he made his way toward it, Jeremiah saw more armed white men. Two crouched on the roof of a building, sniper style. Two or three others stood guard over the lot. One of them, a babyface with a backward ball cap, raised an assault rifle and pointed it at him."

"Early in the evening, before he became stranded in the search for his car, Jeremiah got into an argument with one of them. Jeremiah was talking to a reporter when an angry woman interrupted, telling him she was tired of people like him burning things down. As he argued he'd done no such thing, an armed man came up and shoved him.

"Be ready," Jeremiah recalls the man saying. "If you come toward us, we're gonna open fire."

"In another clip, an unidentified armed white man in a baseball cap and a ballistic vest — an unofficial uniform of the self-styled militias — says this: "You know what the cops told us today? They were like, 'We’re gonna push ‘em down by you, 'cause you can deal with them and then we’re gonna leave.'""

"Several former classmates at Lakes Community High School in Antioch told VICE News they remembered Rittenhouse as short-tempered and easily offended. He was known for his love of the police, guns and President Donald Trump, they said."

""Everyone was yelling, 'That's the shooter!'" Jeremiah said. "And the police just let him pass."

There needs to be a full investigation into this "militia" group and the actions of police that night.

Rittenhouse is currently being held in a juvenile detention facility in his home State of Illinois and his lawyer says he will fight extradition to Wisconsin because "we believe Illinois has a public policy interest in protecting its children,"(!). https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2020/8/30/21407756/tucker-carlson-radical-right-embracing-illinois-youth-accused-two-kenosha-killings

The actual chance that a State won't extradite someone accused of multiple murders and other felonies in another State are infinitesimal to nonexistent.

The only way to defend yourself from someone with a gun is to try to disarm them.

I had a post removed on page three -- my first post removed, to my knowledge.

My apologies to the staff and others that were subjected to this post.

I will do a better job to follow the rules and not offend.

@no1marauder said
The law does not give you a carte blanche right to shoot someone just because you have a gun and might, in your paranoid mind, think they might take it away from you and shoot you.

@philokalia said
I think this is where you are wrong.

I believe it is generally known that if you try to fight over a police officers gun, you can be justifiably shot for it.

The same should be true for a gun in any circumstance since the consequences are so dire.

@philokalia said
I think this is where you are wrong.

I believe it is generally known that if you try to fight over a police officers gun, you can be justifiably shot for it.

The same should be true for a gun in any circumstance since the consequences are so dire.

From the National Review article I cited on page 2 quoting Wisconsin law:

"(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person’s assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.

(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/does-kyle-rittenhouse-have-a-self-defense-claim/

Your version of the law would allow someone to illegally point a gun at someone else and kill them with impunity if they tried to disarm the armed person. That is rather clearly not the law.

The Ahmaud Arbery killing would be an example where an assailant illegally pointed a gun at someone and then killed them when they in self-defense tried to disarm their attacker. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52623151

@no1marauder said
i'm not wrong; you are insisting the mere fact that one has a gun justifies employing deadly force in the circumstance of any struggle. This is clearly not the law.

Let's say someone points a gun at you and you attempt to take the gun away from that in your own self-defense. Do you think they can legally shoot you and succeed on a self-defense claim?

Remember this t ...[text shortened]... alogous to the Rittenhouse case except we don't know what happened to initiate the Kenosha incident.

@no1marauder said
From the National Review article I cited on page 2 quoting Wisconsin law:

"(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging ...[text shortened]... y in self-defense tried to disarm their attacker. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52623151