Originally posted by BartsIs this just your opinion, or has there been some kind of research done on the subject?
It probably would decrease, but by how much remains a wide open question. Wheter it's worth the cost is another matter. You speak of law-abiding citizens killing off crimals.However if criminals are running that risk, they'll be far more likely to shoot and kill themselves at the first sign of trouble. By introducing guns, you're upping the stakes, more risk f ...[text shortened]... it's victim, the time and place of the attack, so more often then not, he has the advantage.
GRANNY.
Originally posted by BartsNO, I am not il advised, if you did some resurch into the effects of firearms in the hands of civilians, you would see that it does infact lower crime.
Knowing the position you hold on the effects of guns in the hands of civilians, I think this fact speaks for you character. I however think it's ill advised. If a lot of people would act that way, then criminals will be more at risk (that in itself certainly isn't bad) and thus will behave more violently. And seeing as they don't know who does and does not carry, those without guns will suffer from it as well.
And the fact that criminals do not know who does carry and who does not will turn them away from crimes on the person and go to crimes like theft of houses and businesses that are not occupied by anyone.
Originally posted by pritybettaSurely someone, somewhere, has done such research.
NO, I am not il advised, if you did some resurch into the effects of firearms in the hands of civilians, you would see that it does infact lower crime.
And the fact that criminals do not know who does carry and who does not will turn them away from crimes on the person and go to crimes like theft of houses and businesses that are not occupied by anyone.
Surely, rather than wittering on about it, you could go find such research and post it here.
I guess what I'm saying, more diplomatically than you're worth, is put up or shut up.
Originally posted by Redmikehttp://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=482
Surely someone, somewhere, has done such research.
Surely, rather than wittering on about it, you could go find such research and post it here.
I guess what I'm saying, more diplomatically than you're worth, is put up or shut up.
http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a75857671c.htm
http://therealgunguys.com/blog/2008/04/29/firearm-ownership-vs-murder-rate/
http://www.theacru.org/blog/2007/05/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
Need any more? I can find a lot more if you'd like.😀😉
Originally posted by pritybettaNot got time to read them all tonight, but the 1st one is laughable - there's a reduction in murder rates for the over-25s.
http://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=482
http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a75857671c.htm
http://therealgunguys.com/blog/2008/04/29/firearm-ownership-vs-murder-rate/
http://www.theacru.org/blog/2007/05/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
http://www.cato.org/ ...[text shortened]...
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
Need any more? I can find a lot more if you'd like.😀😉
Talk about skewing statistics to make a political point. He conveniently drops people 25 and under from the sample.
Originally posted by RedmikeWell, he did discuss young people...
Not got time to read them all tonight, but the 1st one is laughable - there's a reduction in murder rates for the over-25s.
Talk about skewing statistics to make a political point. He conveniently drops people 25 and under from the sample.
Although the murder rate for adults under 25 years old has doubled in the past two decades (largely due to the drug war), for most of the population it has fallen significantly – nearly 19 percent for those 25 years old and older.
The second one says this:
The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high...The number of gun owners is also at an all-time high...The number of [Right-To-Carry] states is at an all-time high...Violent crime has declined while many "gun control" laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive...
The FBI reports that the nation`s total violent crime rate declined every year between 1991 2004.12 In 2004, the violent crime rate fell to a 30-year low, lower than any time since 1974. The murder rate fell to a 39-year low, lower than any time since 1965. The 2004 robbery and aggravated assault rates were lower than any time since 1968 and 1984, respectively. Since 1991, total violent crime has decreased 39%; murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 44%; rape, 24%; robbery, 50%; and aggravated assault, 33%.13 Between 2003-2004, the violent crime rate declined 2.2%.14 Concurrently, the most recent Bureau of Justice Statistics crime victimization survey found that violent crime is lower than anytime since 1973, when the first such survey was conducted.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe only relevant stat is PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION THAT OWNS A GUN.
The second one says this:
The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high...The number of gun owners is also at an all-time high...The number of [Right-To-Carry] states is at an all-time high...Violent crime has declined while many "gun control" laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive...
The FBI reports that t ...[text shortened]... violent crime is lower than anytime since 1973, when the first such survey was conducted.
If the percentage has stayed the same, or decreased over time, then it's totally false to claim a safer society due to more guns.
EDIT: Oh and by the way, I have a chart that shows as the number of pirates around the world has decreased, the global average temperature has increased.....does this mean if we had more pirates we could solve global warming??
Originally posted by uzlessYou got it backwards. Those pirates are HOT!
The only relevant stat is PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION THAT OWNS A GUN.
If the percentage has stayed the same, or decreased over time, then it's totally false to claim a safer society due to more guns.
EDIT: Oh and by the way, I have a chart that shows as the number of pirates around the world has decreased, the global average temperature has increased.....does this mean if we had more pirates we could solve global warming??
GRANNY.
Originally posted by RedmikeEven ignoring the obvious flaws in these links, absolutely none of these demonstrate any link between gun ownership and crime rates.
Not got time to read them all tonight, but the 1st one is laughable - there's a reduction in murder rates for the over-25s.
Talk about skewing statistics to make a political point. He conveniently drops people 25 and under from the sample.
All they do is simply get 2 sets of stats, show that one is increasing and the other decreasing, and claim, without any foundation, that there is a correlation between the two sets of stats.
If you can't prove that link, then you're showing nothing.
You might as well claim that crime rates reduced as the number of tv channels increased.
Or perhaps, to combine the two right wing pre-occupations, perhaps crime goes down as immigration increases?
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Originally posted by RedmikeThere is correlation, but causation has not been shown.
Even ignoring the obvious flaws in these links, absolutely none of these demonstrate any link between gun ownership and crime rates.
All they do is simply get 2 sets of stats, show that one is increasing and the other decreasing, and claim, without any foundation, that there is a correlation between the two sets of stats.
If you can't prove that link, combine the two right wing pre-occupations, perhaps crime goes down as immigration increases?
Pirating has really gone down? I know there are still pirates out there. Did global temperature drop since the end of the Cold War, when piracy spiked due to decreased navies? For example, in 2006:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002874180_websomalia19.html?syndication=rss
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Originally posted by pritybettaAmerican school shootings are high because the moronic suicide-prone, "depressed", angst-filled teenagers (nothing new) have easier access to guns. Not in all cases, but in most I've heard of, the shooters have been students from the school they're shooting up.
[b]"American school shootings... 10? 20? 30?"
American school shootings are that high because the schools are 'gun free zones' which are really 'mass murder zones'[/b]