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@mike69 saidThat assumes that folks of a different gender or race are less qualified than others.
When hiring people the best qualified and able isn’t subjective. Do you want the most qualified best surgeon possible or the one hired because race or gender?
This is nonsense.
But right wing ideology in the US is now based on a myth of white victimhood that is ludicrous given the economic and educational realities.
@no1marauder saidDid I mention what color or gender the best most qualified is, no I didn’t and it doesn’t matter. You seem to be adding in your racist opinions and trying to put words in my mouth I didn’t say. Agree or not ?
That's assumes that folks of a different gender or race are less qualified than others.
This is nonsense.
But right wing ideology in the US is now based on a myth of white victimhood that is ludicrous given the economic and educational realities.
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@no1marauder saidRacist doesn’t have an assigned color or gender. Do you know what all republicans feel or believe, please expand. Would you say this is all just your own personal opinions about people, being racist. Are all Liberals, Democrats the same with the same beliefs and feelings? You’re choosing a minority to represent the whole. Agree or disagree, but I know you won’t be honest just like in the last response.
Right wingers don't even know what the word "racist" means.
I stand by my post.
@mike69 saidFrom 2023:
Racist doesn’t have an assigned color or gender. Do you know what all republicans feel or believe, please expand. Would you say this is all just your own personal opinions about people, being racist. Are all Liberals, Democrats the same with the same beliefs and feelings? You’re choosing a minority to represent the whole. Agree or disagree, but I know you won’t be honest just like in the last response.
"The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem.
Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “big problem.” Twice as many (37😵 say racism against white Americans is a big problem."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-trump-voters-racism-white-americans-problem-black-reparations-politics-090038973.html
How about the truth though:
"Consider an experiment by sociologist Devah Pager, who sent pairs of experimenters—one black and one white—to apply for 340 job ads in New York City. She gave them resumes doctored to have identical qualifications. She gave them scripts so that the applicants said the same things when handing in their applications. She even dressed them alike. She found that black applicants got half the call backs that white applicants got with the same qualifications.
This study inspired experiments in lots of areas of life. One study, for example, responded to more than 14,000 online apartment rental adds but varied whether the name attached to the email implied a white applicant (e.g., Allison Bauer) or a black applicant (e.g., Ebony Washington). The black applicants were twenty-six percent less likely to be told that the apartment was available.
These kinds of experiments are not ambiguous like statistics on disparities are. There were no differences in merit. Race was the cause. Real employers and landlords discriminated against blacks and in favor of whites, by a large margin.
This kind of direct evidence of discrimination against minorities have been found in other arenas. Professors are more likely to ignore emails from students of color. Airbnb hosts are more likely to tell black renters that the listing has already been taken. Pager and her colleagues published a meta-analysis incorporating every field experiment on hiring since the first ones were carried out in the 1980’s. Across two dozen studies, black applicants were called back 36 percent less than whites with the same qualifications. Not a single study found a reliable anti-white bias. Most sobering of all, the rate of discrimination is the same today as in the 1980’s.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-anti-white-discrimination/
So I would say that whites are more discriminated against than blacks in the present day US is a common belief among MAGA supporters. And it's total BS but it does affect their opposition to any type of remedial efforts to correct for discrimination against blacks and other minorities as well as their rabid opposition to immigration.
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@mike69 saidAnd before you again claim someone is a "racist", here's Merriam-Webster's definition of "racism":
Did I mention what color or gender the best most qualified is, no I didn’t and it doesn’t matter. You seem to be adding in your racist opinions and trying to put words in my mouth I didn’t say. Agree or not ?
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: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
Needless to say, hardly any progressive has such a belief but here's an example of a racist statement (sorry SH) made by a poster here five days ago:
"The fact is whites are being killed by blacks in large numbers everywhere blacks go. Even blacks are being killed by blacks in large numbers. IT'S WHAT THEY DO. It's in their nature."
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@no1marauder saidOmg I made two direct statements to you about your comments to me about your idea of republicans and you post this? I would think you would realize surveys are numerous with different results along with small groups surveyed. You said we were all like this because of racism. I said we’re all individuals with different feeling and standards and you were making proven racist statements. Any survey would have to go deeper and broader in many areas to get an actual result and it’s almost impossible, using a small amount of parameters to decide this. I would say in most instances even black business owners/managers would hire the white person, it’s for direct reasons caused by their own people doing not racism. Search crime/ murder rates etc. Resulting from no fathers at home or positive mentors and the list goes on and on. Watch the news for a group making up 13% of our population. Look at the rioting leading to large groups busting windows and looting and of course mixed with some but few different races no where near the majority. This is just one area, a big portion of bad apples has stained the reputation and people feeling safe hiring them. I’ve hired many black people, I get along fine with them but do have more issues to deal with. I’m not in a big city and we’re all pretty much the same from a more positive environment here so I personally haven’t had many issues, we don’t have gangs etc. I will say now that we’re rapidly growing in population with apartments coming and more black people coming in, crime has risen in my small town that had nothihing serious. This is all very recent in my town, a group of six black young adults went down a neighborhood my son lives in, part of them watching out and the others breaking into all the cars at 2am all down the street, including my sons. Our sonic was very recently robbed with three black men going in while open with guns and robbed it. Drug arrest have started happening. I was robbed by one of my black employees with a gun years back that I very much went out of my way to take care of him by renting an apartment for him. He was homeless this was part of his pay as a cook and paid him well because he had great potential but issues showing up because of drugs. I guess what I’m saying is blaming whites for racism instead of taking responsibility and looking at the real reasons is not intelligent. I know this does happen but you have to also pull your head out and quit blaming white and other races for a problem caused by their own making, there are reasons. I never had issues with an clean cut mature intelligent honest black persona and they have been great employees, but I don’t live in a big city where it where it could be less common.
From 2023:
"The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem.
Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “b ...[text shortened]... discrimination against blacks and other minorities as well as their rabid opposition to immigration.
@mike69 saidYou made this statement:
Omg I made two direct statements to you about your comments to me about your idea of republicans and you post this? I would think you would realize surveys are numerous with different results along with small groups surveyed. You said we were all like this because of racism. I said we’re all individuals with different feeling and standards and you were making proven racist ...[text shortened]... ey have been great employees, but I don’t live in a big city where it where it could be less common.
mike: When hiring people the best qualified and able isn’t subjective.
Apparently it is as the studies I linked to and numerous others have shown.
Actually, my first post said nothing like "we were all like this because of racism. " It said the myth of white victimization is a central point of what passes for current right wing "philosophy". Your last post is a lot of babble, often relying on racial stereotypes, that does nothing to dispute that conclusion which is in line with the evidence I showed. And your laughable contention that I made "racist" statements is certainly indicative of that truth given the definition of racism.
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@no1marauder saidWell, you would say that, being honest and agreeing that it isn’t that clear cut or admitting you’re wrong isn’t a strong point of yours. What I said about my area and self is reality along with proven stats and just going through life and observing. This is something your group of hate the white people and their the problem for everything is a constant theme for your group of Mr. Rogers make believe land to blame everyone else for your problems and hate others for not agreeing with you. I find you like sue, sonhouse and the down thumb cowards to be non ethical, realistic or able to look at yourselves and actions honestly to work through issues. I don’t hate anyone, and what I said is just truth and being honest even though it’s not what you want to hear and I’m sure there’s much I don’t understand. Do I think there are beautiful, loving, wonderful parents, many much smarter than me or you black people with great integrity putting fourth positive contributions to society, absolutely. I’m explaining people not just white people have fear and mistrust from being bombarded with negative things, actions on a constant basis, personal experiences and seeing it everywhere on the news, even in movies creating negative viewpoints towards them, Hollywood could do a better job. Im saying be honest, quit passing blame, and let’s figure out how to change that from better education, taking responsibility and being positive mentors to your children and family and on. People do as they see, taught from experiences, tough lives and situations. I feel for them, would you say It’s better to take responsibility for your part and to figure out how to make a change and quit with left leaning surveys saying what you want to hear, it’s all the white man. Please be clear in understanding I’m also not clumping all black people in what I’m saying and these great role models need to be looked up to and put forward instead of calling them traitors and giving in to the man. I’m also saying it’s not all their fault at all but you need to get your head out of your a$$ and face some realities.
You made this statement:
mike: When hiring people the best qualified and able isn’t subjective.
Apparently it is as the studies I linked to and numerous others have shown.
Actually, my first post said nothing like "we were all like this because of racism. " It said the myth of white victimization is a central point of what passes for current right wing "philosoph ...[text shortened]... hat I made "racist" statements is certainly indicative of that truth given the definition of racism.
@mike69 saidI could care less what you think. But your long, rambling post doesn't address any point I have raised or deal with the actual evidence and reality that discrimination against minorities continues to be a major problem in this country despite the pooh-pooing of white right wingers and their incessant claims of victimhood.
Well, you would say that, being honest and agreeing that it isn’t that clear cut or admitting you’re wrong isn’t a strong point of yours. What I said about my area and self is reality along with proven stats and just going through life and observing. This is something your group of hate the white people and their the problem for everything is a constant theme for your group ...[text shortened]... ’s not all their fault at all but you need to get your head out of your a$$ and face some realities.
Your posts make rather clear that you hold a great deal of negative racial stereotypes and try to justify discrimination based on them. Note your long ranting about misdeeds by blacks which make clear what the studies indicate i.e. that individual blacks and other minorities are treated differently because of what others do. No one would if we were talking about whites would concentrate about crimes committed by other whites, but that was what much of your post ranted about. But contrary to your seeming beliefs, most blacks, even urban ones, haven't murdered anyone and shouldn't be profiled based on statistics.
You don't seem willing to listen to anyone but other right wing nuts and probably lack the education to grasp my points, but that's your failing not mine.
@no1marauder saidYour a fool, I’m trying to have an honest conversation I can’t even finish this bs you wrote, a glance was enough. You rely on and try to call a limited fact survey the gospel that doesn’t take everything into account, along with being biased written to support a desired end result. You can’t even have an honest conversation in your own words and use biased others words to support your claims. So tell me, I made no realistic comments and nothing I’ve written has any truth behind it but this limited survey does? Let’s hear in your own words why you agree or disagree with the things I’ve written, debate me, do you not know how to think on your own with your own ideas and feelings, prove me wrong yourself.
I could care less what you think. But your long, rambling post doesn't address any point I have raised or deal with the actual evidence and reality that discrimination against minorities continues to be a major problem in this country despite the pooh-pooing of white right wingers and their incessant claims of victimhood.
Your posts make rather clear that you hold a gr ...[text shortened]... ight wing nuts and probably lack the education to grasp my points, but that's your failing not mine.
@no1marauder
Let me help.
I don’t agree with …… because I have witnessed through my own life experiences that differ from what your saying here and I think ……proves it wrong.
@mike69 saidAlso you can’t dismiss everything I wrote with one comment, that’s stupid address everything!
@no1marauder
Let me help.
I don’t agree with …… because I have witnessed through my own life experiences that differ from what your saying here and I think ……proves it wrong.
@no1marauder said?si=5gHyjinop6TExA3B
I could care less what you think. But your long, rambling post doesn't address any point I have raised or deal with the actual evidence and reality that discrimination against minorities continues to be a major problem in this country despite the pooh-pooing of white right wingers and their incessant claims of victimhood.
Your posts make rather clear that you hold a gr ...[text shortened]... ight wing nuts and probably lack the education to grasp my points, but that's your failing not mine.